Wrc Rallye de France

[Sulland]

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Chaos in France !

[MikeD]

my brain hurts to see wilson after so many years of experience to drive that slow.....

He's being beaten by Hans Weijs in the JWRC. It can't get more embarresing than this....

[ridder]

Latvala has never really been fast on tarmac, and now he's 0.16 s/k behind Citroens?

Yes one has has to wonder how would a real tarmac driver do in a Ford now.

[N.O.T]

i really hope wilson didn't quit school for this.....

[Mirek]

Prokop in big troubles...

[paddocknews]

Haha! Dani is now on the rally radio and Wilson has finished already. Obviously we have a delay. Is that true about the ambulance. I didn't hear anything on the radio?

Colin not at stage end - on road section

[Iskald]

He's being beaten by Hans Weijs in the JWRC. It can't get more embarresing than this....

Weijs time on the stage is of course one or two minutes wrong. You don`t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that...

[6789]

Haha! Dani is now on the rally radio and Wilson has finished already. Obviously we have a delay. Is that true about the ambulance. I didn't hear anything on the radio?
They aren't at the stage end for SS3, they're on a road section. So there is a delay, normally 10 seconds or so

[wwbroe]

As another competitor hit the car of Mats Ostberg, i suppose our friend Mikkelsen will get a time that will drop him down. Pitty organiser is so stupid to let him start as last car. :(

[Mirek]

As another competitor hit the car of Mats Ostberg, i suppose our friend Mikkelsen will get a time that will drop him down. Pitty organiser is so stupid to let him start as last car. :(

SS2 is looking like running again ;)

[wwbroe]

Brynildssen loosing almost half a minute compared to Sandell :eek:

[wwbroe]

Henning also about 10 sec slower as Sandell, who put great time in stage 3. ;)

[rage82]

They aren't at the stage end for SS3, they're on a road section. So there is a delay, normally 10 seconds or so

My mistake, realise this a bit later.

Ketomaa is 4-th in s-wrc only 11 sec behind the overall leader pons, and this is his first 3 rally stages on tarmac. So i think he's not so slow and for sure he can improve his speed through the rally.

[wwbroe]

Brynildssen had a spin on stage 3, that is probably the reason he is loosing so much time. :(

[Sarac330d]

Sorry for not quoteing, this is my reply to that statement that Latvala is 0.16sec/km slower than Citorens.

I think bigger problem is car itself than drivers. After Rally Bulgaria that i attended, where me and few of my friends(all of us are rally drivers and co-drivers) measured speed with radar gun i pretty sure that problem is in car.

Becouse we measured speed on specific places, we searched for hairpins after which there is straight of 250-300 meters. In my measurments all cars have exit speed difference from hairpin of 1-2 km/h. After 250-300m speed difference is 10km/h more for all Citroens(except Loeb) vs all Ford cars. Loeb was all the time faster then other Citroens for additonal 2-3km/h.

So, in my opinion if some car is faster than another car on 250-300m section for 10km/h and more and they have similar exit speed out of corner, than it`s big problem in power and not in driver.

[6789]

My mistake, realise this a bit later.

Ketomaa is 4-th in s-wrc only 11 sec behind the overall leader pons, and this is his first 3 rally stages on tarmac. So i think he's not so slow and for sure he can improve his speed through the rally.
Thats ok, they didn't exactly mention

Good performance by Ketomaa

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen 2nd S2000 time on SS2 behind Henning.

[Viking]

How can kids as Ketomaa dream about works drives when tarmac ridiculed Henning Solberg with a new codriver is much faster than them?? :D

[Karukera]

How can kids as Ketomaa dream about works drives when tarmac ridiculed Henning Solberg with a new codriver is much faster than them?? :D

Well, you have to start somewhere, that's what Ketomaa's doing.

[Mirek]

I'd like to point out very good performance of Paddon. It's his second ever tarmac rally I guess?

[Ondra WRC]

What happened Maurin?

[6789]

]I'd like to point out very good performance of Paddon. It's his second ever tarmac rally I guess?
He's done targo tasmania i think, but its very limited

[MR666]

He's done targo tasmania i think, but its very limited

Dont think so.

He did do Targa NZ last year but didnt get to do all of it due to crashing out.

Think thats about it till the WRC rallys this year.

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Neuville in JWRC now, 2 sec faster as Arzeno. The latter remains in front overall tough.

[Karukera]

Ken Block leading (so far) by a couple of seconds a bunch of Villagra, Turan, Wilson and Al Kissme.

Pretty decent performance.

[Sarac330d]

]I'd like to point out very good performance of Paddon. It's his second ever tarmac rally I guess?

Excellent performance of Paddon. Hope he can finish rally in that tempo.

CITROEN have never been very talkative about their engine but it has been very clear for years that their engine was equal best with the peugeot engine and is today superior to FORD.

In fact almost every fundamental aspect is better in the CITROEN. FORD have been going the wrong way in the development for at least 6 years now. it is a matter of pride for Wilson, he will not give up his system. Just like he has systematically refused to hire P. SOLBERG.

The results speak for themselves, I don't need to show more.

It is the same pride which blinds him to recognize that his son is a utter failure. The kid is now getting his arse kicked by Al Qassimi, Block, Raikkonen, Villagra and Muller on a regular basis.

The icing on the cake is that superstar Wilson jr has been main development driver for the FIESTA, up until now neither Hirvonen or Latvala have driven it.

I am at a loss of words when I see the waste of money, human effort and ressources which goes into this FORD outfit.

Their results today are what they deserve considering their philosophy on the sport, starting with their "business mind" rather than "sportsman mind".

[MR666]

Have to get the feeling that Hirvonen's heart is not in it this season after all the bad luck he has been having.

I hope the new car / season brings back some of his fight.

[N.O.T]

entering Guigou with a N2 twingo must be the stupidest decision a factory ever made.....why didn't they enter him with an R3 at least ?

[wwbroe]

In French championship part of the rally Pieter Tsjoen is leading Cedric Robert(+16.4) and Brian Bouffier (+30.7) after two stages.

[Sarac330d]

Ken Block leading (so far) by a couple of seconds a bunch of Villagra, Turan, Wilson and Al Kissme.

Pretty decent performance.

I hope Turan can finish in front of them all. :-)
He left very good impression on me after Rally Bulgaria.

[N.O.T]

Have to get the feeling that Hirvonen's heart is not in it this season after all the bad luck he has been having.

I hope the new car / season brings back some of his fight.

Hirvonen has the typical loser/quitter attidute also known as the aclaimed by yours trully sick dog.... Yes the car doesn't help, but look at Latvala, he at least tries to drive as fast as he can.

[Mirek]

entering Guigou with a N2 twingo must be the stupidest decision a factory ever made.....why didn't they enter him with an R3 at least ?

Guigou is doing promo drives for Renault. This time in Twingo R1 - basic car of Renault Sport customer program. It's almost stock Twingo RS with rollcage. It doesn't even have LSD.

[Karukera]

I hope Turan can finish in front of them all. :-)
He left very good impression on me after Rally Bulgaria.

You're not alone with that impression and his name is forever printed in the WRC for scoring points.
By the way, i don't remermber the last time a Magyar knight scored points in a WRC rally...

[N.O.T]

ss04 is on...

[Hartusvuori]

By the way, i don't remermber the last time a Magyar knight scored points in a WRC rally...

Bulgaria 2010 - Turan 8th, but another Magyar knight, don't know. Ever?

[Viking]

Mikkelsen fastest S2000 on ss3 :up:

[MikeD]

Wilslow is 3.3 off at first split. Jesus Christ....

[Viking]

Sordo?

[6789]

Sordo?
Doesn't seem to be in the stage at all?

Ogier up to second, Petter down to 3rd

[Mirek]

Sordo 14:02,0 ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Very good pace from Latvala on SS4. Only 2,6s down on Loeb and it was 24 kms. He really shows improvement in his tarmac performance - which is good. Sordo's there, 5th fastest through.

[Mirek]

Bouffier fastest S2000 on SS3.

[wwbroe]

]Bouffier fastest S2000 on SS3.

Yes, and he would be just after Henning in overall, if you have a look at his times. And probably there is much more dirt on the road when he passes, he is coming even after Mikkelsen. :D

[wwbroe]

No Wilslow after stage 4?

Edit: he is there, my fault

[Julle69]

Kimi's speed is not so good as I expected it could be in tarmac. Over 1.6 s/km behind the leader and almost 0.8 s/km behind Hirvonen who is the closest in front of Kimi...

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ketooma learns quickly on asfalt, he is 14 sec faster as Sandell on stage 4. :)

[Rallytourist]

Kimi's speed is not so good as I expected it could be in tarmac. Over 1.6 s/km behind the leader and almost 0.8 s/km behind Hirvonen who is the closest in front of Kimi...
Kimi gonna show his speed on the Catalunya roads . There I tip him in top 4 if he do'nt crash

[rage82]

Ketomaa second fastest on ss4 only 0.2 sec. behind brynildsen, it will be interesting on the second passage what can he do. I think that Kimi is not so bad he is 7-th after all the big guns, but it's normal, it's hard to believe that he can beat anyone from the top.

[N.O.T]

Kimi gonna show his speed on the Catalunya roads . There I tip him in top 4 if he do'nt crash

so he is going to be ahead of one of the other citroens.....

[Salist]

Bulgaria 2010 - Turan 8th, but another Magyar knight, don't know. Ever?

Janos Toth in 1998 San Remo Rally with a Toyota Corolla WRC.
And on the last Catalunya Rally ASI was the second position in group N.

[Julle69]

7th is a best possible for Kimi if top 6 has no problems. In Bulgaria Kimi was fifth before he went off and Ford struggled there more than normal. So Kimi can go faster but then Red Bull don't like it because their logo is going to be upside down very soon...

[wwbroe]

Paddon is loosing his lead in PWRC after stage 4, Araujo in front now with Grondall in second.

[wwbroe]

Arzeno is loosing a lot of time on stage 4, now Neuville is clearly in the lead of JWRC.

[Mirek]

Vigion out

[wwbroe]

]Vigion out

Mechanical problems or offroad?

[Rallytourist]

so he is going to be ahead of one of the other citroens.....
Why not . Problems , crash . I think Sordo gonna go 150% for the win

[MR666]

Paddon is loosing his lead in PWRC after stage 4, Araujo in front now with Grondall in second.

Flat tyre.

[wwbroe]

Flat tyre.

Ok, thanks for the info, bad luck for him.

[MR666]

Ok, thanks for the info, bad luck for him.

Yip, hope he can get the time back.

[Karukera]

Janos Toth in 1998 San Remo Rally with a Toyota Corolla WRC.
And on the last Catalunya Rally ASI was the second position in group N.

Thanks :) but Toth* finished 15th in an exciting San Remo 98 and didn't score points in the championship unlike Turan. Source = rallybase.nl

*Toyota Corolla WRC Grifone

[rage82]

SS 5 will run at 14:29, with 24 minutes delay

[teufel]

Thanks :) but Toth* finished 15th in an exciting San Remo 98 and didn't score points in the championship unlike Turan. Source = rallybase.nl

*Toyota Corolla WRC Grifone

Turán is the first hungarian to score a point. But Janos Toth's 15th might be more impressive, based on the starting list ;)

[Sulland]

Impressive times from Mikkelsen starting last. 2nd run everyone will have mud, but again he will have most. So lets see if he is able to keep it on the road, and keep in touch with the lead.

Looks like he like the Skoda !

[jonkka]

Turán is the first hungarian to score a point. But Janos Toth's 15th might be more impressive, based on the starting list ;)

In WRCD yes. In PWRC Gabor Mayer scored three times last season but that's all, no other hungarians have championship points.

[Mirek]

Rumor that Muller retired in service, any confirmation or negation?

[Boudica]

The person who reportedly fainted on SS3, actually had a heart attack and died.

[teufel]

In WRCD yes. In PWRC Gabor Mayer scored three times last season but that's all, no other hungarians have championship points.

Krisztián Hideg was 4th in group N, Tour de Corse in 2000, but don't know if he scored any points for the championship...

[KKS]

Split are frozen or stage didn't start yet?

[Sulland]

The person who reportedly fainted on SS3, actually had a heart attack and died.

RIP

[Sulland]

Split are frozen or stage didn't start yet?

it is delayed to aprox 1445

[ridder]

]Rumor that Muller retired in service, any confirmation or negation?


http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/2010/10/01/remote-service-at-mulhouse/

Car stopped on road section.

[jonkka]

Krisztián Hideg was 4th in group N, Tour de Corse in 2000, but don't know if he scored any points for the championship...

I think that he initially did score but those points were later annulled due to not fulfilling championship stipulations (=not enough starts).

[pettersolberg29]

Very impressed by Mikkelsen - hopefully others will soon realise his potential. Fastest S2000 except Henning in a car he's only had 3 rallies in and on a surface he doesn't prefer.

[Tom206wrc]

Not bad Turan Frigyes !!! :bounce:

[KKS]

it is delayed to aprox 1445

tnx

[muscrae]

SS 5 is live now...

[ridder]

Much slower than first run?

[muscrae]

JML faster than Loeb on split 2..!

[rage82]

split times are again crap

[muscrae]

JML wins the stage for now...
It is a short stage, 9.9km...

[Julle69]

Latvala is really doing good job now...Germany already showed that he has improved his tarmac pace

[muscrae]

Loeb is over 13 sec slower than first pass, the stage must be so dirty now...

[Hartusvuori]

JML ruined my bet that Loeb would win all the stages. But I don't care :)

Wrc.com working crappy once again.

[MikeD]

Munchi's confirm they are back next year. Would be nice if they would upgrade to a 2-car team.

[dimviii]

f@cking splits they dissapeared at refresh :mad:

[MikeD]

f@cking splits they dissapeared at refresh :mad:

click "splits" a couple of times - then they return

[wwbroe]

Stage 6 is now also live, but splits isn't working very well. :(

[wwbroe]

In fact, only Wilson, Al Khassimi and Villagra are faster in second run trough then in first run.

[dimviii]

click "splits" a couple of times - then they return
thanks Mike,it works :D

[dimviii]

at ss6 everybody looses so much at last split except Loeb.

[OldF]

Did something happen to Petter? On SS6 after Loeb, Ogier and Latavala, the rest have +5 min.

[OldF]

Petter OK.

[ZequeArgentina]

I start to think Henning was right. Te Focus is really difficult to drive on tarmac.

He always said he was not that bad on tarmac (but his times with the Focus were horrible), but now wth the Fiesta he is always at the top.

Turan is doing really well again, whith the old 307!

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen is about the onnly one to improve on his first pass time, but then again, he was really slow on first run trough.

[muscrae]

SS 7 is live...

[Barreis]

Turan is going good..

[wwbroe]

Dani Sordo is really fast on first two splits of stage 7, can he win this one?

[wwbroe]

Loeb makes exactly same time trough stage 7 as his first run trough. :)

[MikeD]

Turan is quite impressive on tarmac. Nice to see the whale up to speed...

[muscrae]

Loeb makes exactly same time trough stage 7 as his first run trough. :)

A man from another galaxy..! :)

[muscrae]

Can Sordo do it?

edit: yes he did, he won the stage....

[Hartusvuori]

Sordo fastest. He is finally catching the speed I've been expecting from him on tarmac. For my pickems sake, I'd like to see him rise up to second. Latvala is back on his morning form, though it could be worse still.

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Dani Sordo, he did it. :eek:

[MikeD]

Block is quite a dissapointment on tarmac IMHO.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen besttime in S2000 on stage 5 :eek:

[N.O.T]

results look quite normal....

the only interest now is to see if ketomaa improves on day 02...if not, game over....

[Mirek]

Now on almost equal conditions, Mikkelsen sets another fastest time :)

By the way among national (whose times we can't see as both ffsa and patricksoft are down as usual) Pieter Tsjoen retired from fight for first place with mechanical problems.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen again besttime in S2000 on stage 6, now only about 6 sec behind Henning in overall standings.
:)

[wwbroe]

Yes Mirek, Tsjoen retired unfortunally with broken driveshaft. :( I can still see the times from FFSA.

[Iskald]

Mikkelsen again besttime in S2000 on stage 6, now only about 6 sec behind Henning in overall standings.
:)
Did anybody doubt he is good? Not just a pretty face, you see...

[Walach]

Ostberg was also fast, but unfortunately only on SS1... but I must agree, Mikkelsen is really good.

[muscrae]

I like Mikkelsen's style, he resembles Mcrae, flat out, or out..!

[dimviii]

I start to think Henning was right. Te Focus is really difficult to drive on tarmac.

He always said he was not that bad on tarmac (but his times with the Focus were horrible), but now wth the Fiesta he is always at the top.


Zeque Henning is at the top when the other drivers are Sandell/Brynildsen/Ketomaa.These drivers are not near in speed like best irc boys in asphalt rallies.We can see Mikkelsen doing top times in his first asphalt attempt,when in irc is not even close with top 4-5 cars. :)

[wwbroe]

Zeque Henning is at the top when the other drivers are Sandell/Brynildsen/Ketomaa.These drivers are not near in speed like best irc boys.We can see Mikkelsen doing top times in his first asphalt attempt,when in irc is not even close with top 4-5 cars. :)

But he has to use Hankook tyres in IRC, so i wonder if that has something to do with it. I would like to see him do some IRC rounds on BF Goodrich in the Fiesta to see what he is capable of. ;)

[muscrae]

When will the last stage of the day start? It's supposed be live now, considering even the delay...

[ridder]

Zeque Henning is at the top when the other drivers are Sandell/Brynildsen/Ketomaa.These drivers are not near in speed like best irc boys in asphalt rallies.We can see Mikkelsen doing top times in his first asphalt attempt,when in irc is not even close with top 4-5 cars. :)

There's a difference between running Fiesta on Hankook and Evo 2 Fabia on same tires as everyone else.

[wwbroe]

When will the last stage of the day start? It's supposed be live now, considering even the delay...

I was just thinking the same thing, it should be live now, isn't it?

[pettersolberg29]

Another delay.

[Mirek]

According to French forum there is problem with timekeeping equipment on SS8.

[wwbroe]

]According to French forum there is problem with timekeeping equipment on SS8.

That is quite funny, because i suppose it was there for first run trough. Or did it break down afterwards? They can still use manual stopwatch. :D

[dimviii]

@ridder & wwbroe

very fair that about tyres.That i want to say is that we can t measure swrc drivers speed, when we see that non asphalt drivers at first attempt can make ss wins with big gaps.(Mikkelsen)

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen into S2000 lead. Wins another stage.

[wwbroe]

Great performance by Andreas, and this starting as very last car, it must be awfull conditions he is driving in.

[dimviii]

Pons why so slow?Used to be good in tarmac.All norwegian/swedish/finish drivers faster than him.Championship points target seems?
Also Arai seems that there is no speed anymore.

[muscrae]

Pons why so slow?Used to be good in tarmac.All norwegian/swedish drivers faster than him.Championship points target seems?
Also Arai seems that there is no speed anymore.
Yeah, I also thought that, he is normally way quciker than the others on tarmac, especially he should ve way faster than Ketomaa, but Ketomaa passed him on SS7... Weird...

[wwbroe]

So, nobody has any news when stage 8 will go live, or will it be just cancelled?

[dimviii]

So, nobody has any news when stage 8 will go live, or will it be just cancelled?

if i remember correct after some minutes delay they have to cancel?

[muscrae]

Over an hour delay now...

[Mirek]

Start at 17:32 according to French forum.

[René]

Start of stage 8 at 17h32 from Radio france

[Gordini]

Ostberg was also fast, but unfortunately only on SS1

Lets hope he has some motivation left for tomorrow, and goes for it !

[Mirek]

After SS7 Bouffier starting in national field after all WRC crews is 7,5 seconds faster than Mikkelsen. But he isn't in direct fight with anyone...

[pettersolberg29]

Stage has started

[wwbroe]

]After SS7 Bouffier starting in national field after all WRC crews is 7,5 seconds faster than Mikkelsen. But he isn't in direct fight with anyone...

Where do you see his times Mirek, because FFSA site isn't working anymore, at least they are still at stage 5. :( And Patricksoft doesn't work here neither.

[Mirek]

patricksoft woke up :)

[dimviii]

]After SS7 Bouffier starting in national field after all WRC crews is 7,5 seconds faster than Mikkelsen. But he isn't in direct fight with anyone...

;)

[wwbroe]

Ok, thanks Mirek, it has woken up here too. :D

[muscrae]

Ogier slow, or JML quick, or both?

[muscrae]

citroenracing via twitter: ES8. Start delayed, a spectateur did an epileptic seizure

[wwbroe]

citroenracing via twitter: ES8. Start delayed, a spectateur did an epileptic seizure

It looks like being a bad enviroment over there, somebody had allready heart attack and now epileptic attack, what is going on over there? :eek:

[Hartusvuori]

It looks like being a bad enviroment over there, somebody had allready heart attack and now epileptic attack, what is going on over there? :eek:

Okey, look at the light. Once it have flashed, you won't have no recollection of this or whatsoever...

[mm1]

I know it`s black humor, but they all probably wanted to see S.Loeb driving before they pass away.

[pettersolberg29]

Its just so exciting I suppose!

[muscrae]

Waaaooooov! JML is so faster than Loeb... 4.2s...!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Haha

[Hartusvuori]

Waaaooooov! JML is so faster than Loeb... 4.2s...!

Who would've thought JML will beat Loeb in straight fight on two 25 kms stages on the opening day of Rally France. Okey, JML still keeps loosing heeps of time on most of the stages, but still - I like this improvement.

[wwbroe]

Latvalla passes in front of Petter after this one, nice performance by Jari-Matti.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen hit a bank, lucky to be at stage finish, conditions seem to be very tricky as all pilots say the same.

[blissard]

Petter had a spin or something?

[MikeD]

Anybody know if Túran will do Spain?

[wwbroe]

Petter had a spin or something?

He didn't mention anything like that, just said that stage end was very, very tricky.

[MikeD]

Who would've thought JML will beat Loeb in straight fight on two 25 kms stages on the opening day of Rally France. Okey, JML still keeps loosing heeps of time on most of the stages, but still - I like this improvement.

Good for JML - bad for Hirvonen who will end up as 2. driver next year. Latvala has beaten him fair and square this year.

[Hartusvuori]

"Worst stage ever" "Most difficult stage ever"- I've heard that at least twice on the end-of-stage comments. Must be awfully slippy there.

Turan stopped.

[MikeD]

Bummer, Túran has stopped :(

[René]

Turan stopped in stage

[Bobcat]

Ostberg angry after early exit http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87114

Ostberg angry after early exit

By David Evans Friday, October 1st 2010, 13:51 GMT

Norwegian driver Mads Ostberg was angry by the nature of his retirement from the Rally of France.

Ostberg, one of the World Rally Championship brightest young talents, is driving a Ford Fiesta S2000 on the Strasbourg-based event, but retired on the second stage of the day after setting the fastest Group N time on the day's opener.

Ostberg slid off the road and was unable to rejoin the stage under his own power. The Norwegian jumped out of the car to beckon the help of nearby marshals and police. Unfortunately for him, they refused to help - and refused to allow anybody from the 70-strong crowd on the corner to offer assistance.

Ostberg has now retired and will return under superally regulations tomorrow.

After going off the road, Ostberg was not allowed to slow the oncoming crews down and his car was hit by a following competitor, before the stage was stopped to allow the recovery vehicle in to move the stricken Ford.

Ostberg said: "The junction was a 90-degree right. We had marked the corner with gravel, I knew it was slippery - but it was more slippery than I thought. We understeered off on the outside. We hit the barrier, but the barrier had been bent by [Eyvind] Brynildsen, who had been off in the same corner. We then got stuck in the hole.

"The damage on the car was quite low. I ran 20 metres to ask the seven or eight marshals and 15 police officers, but they wouldn't allow anybody to help. We had quite a hard argument with them, but they wouldn't do anything. The marshals wouldn't have been able to get the car back on the road, they were just some old men and some women, they couldn't help.

"There were 60 or 70 people who could have come down and got us going again. All of the crowd were booing the police; if this had been Finland, we would have been back on the road in under a minute."

[Hartusvuori]

^ That's harsh. I can understand the frustration. Waiting for a video link...

[rp]

Ketomaa the fastest Super 2000, but Mikkelsen is still coming. Not so bad in his first ever tarmac rally...!

[Sulland]

Press release from Mads: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.norsk-rally.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26vie w%3Darticle%26id%3D7249%3Ainfo-fra-mads-og-jonas

Strange behavior of the Gendarmerie I must say!

[dimviii]

Paddon? :(

[bluuford]

Padoon seems to be missing indeed.. There are three possibilities: retired before the stage, retired before the first split or marshals forgot to time his stage :-P

Block slower than Araujo and Tänak in GrN Mitsubishis LOL :-)

[dimviii]

BLOCK K. / GELSOMINO A. (st. č. 43) "We have a problems with paddle shift.

[Mirek]

Problems for Mikkelsen...

[Hartusvuori]

]Problems for Mikkelsen...

+2.28s on JML. Any more news?

[Salist]

Anybody know if Túran will do Spain?

no, he will not starting in Spain. :(

[bluuford]

BLOCK K. / GELSOMINO A. (st. č. 43) "We have a problems with paddle shift.

OK! that is why he was so slow. looks like Paddon is retired and in superally list. reason?

[dimviii]

swrc championship will be very interesting at Wales ,by positions till now in france.
If they finish as they are now,seems that 4 crews are going to fight/have posiibilities for championship in GB. :)

Championship points
1 Prokop 96
2 Pons 96
3 Ketomaa 83
4 Sandell 75
5 Brynildsen 53

[wwbroe]

What was the problem for Mikkelsen, does anybody know what problem he had on this last stage?

[wwbroe]

Looking at Bouffier's total time after 8 stages, he would be second overall in S2000's with 1.7 sec behind Henning. :)

[dimviii]

Mikkelsan 1,15 total behind Henning,and 40 sec behind Brynildsen.
Think that he can catch Brynildsen if he keeps the pace he had at last stages. :D Lets hope to have a faultless Skoda.

[VFTS]

What was the problem for Mikkelsen, does anybody know what problem he had on this last stage?

The centre-diff. broke down at the start on ss8.

[dimviii]

The centre-diff. broke down at the start on ss8.

so lot of work for his team at service park.

[mm1]

Ketoma on last stage posted a time with a message to N.O.T. :)

[N.O.T]

yes....i really hope he can keep that pace if he wants to have a future in the sport at the top.

It is really a pity when a fast driver on a surface doesn't deliver everywhere.

[Barreis]

What's with Turan?

[Mirek]

The centre-diff. broke down at the start on ss8.

Fabia doesn't have center differential.

[Carlo]

Hayden Paddon suffered alternator failure which resulted in a flat battery and the car being unable to run. Very dissapointing for all.

The fat lady hasn't started to sing but she maybe clearing her throat

[Julle69]

It's first tarmac rally ever for Ketomaa, so I think he is doing quite well so far. Let's see want he can do tomorrow...

[VFTS]

]Fabia doesn't have center differential.

Youre right, but I dont know the name in english. Is it the middle driveshaft the name is?

[Mirek]

I would use word propshaft. Thanks for information anyway ;)

[VFTS]

]I would use word propshaft. Thanks for information anyway ;)

Thanks! Propshaft it is.
It broke just after the start and they got vibrations in the car. After some kilometers the power steering also broke down.
They are trying to reach service.

[OldF]

]Fabia doesn't have center differential.

I thought that xtrac had a centre differential as standard but it seems to be an option.

Options summary:

http://www.xtrac.com/pdfs/532%20SUPER%202000%20RALLY%20REAR%20GEARBOX.pdf

[Mirek]

Škoda tried both variants during testing and found out that mechanical center differential doesn't bring much benefits but on the other hand also quite reasonable power loses for naturally aspirated engine and more weight. I think that currently no S2000 uses center differential except those old ones (Polo, Corolla, older Abarths). Peugeot was first to go this way with their Sadev transmission (they also first use a clutch in rear differential for releasing rear axle with use of handbrake). As far as I know X-Trac in Mini and Sadev in DS3 are also without center differential. I don't know about Ford in their new WRC car.

[OldF]

Maybe it’s hard to get down to the min. weight, which is 62 kg, for a S2000 gearbox with centre diff.

[Mirek]

I think that main problem is power losses (I guess it may be around 3% of power). I know that Abarths used to have around 1170 kg in Barum Rally when there was 1150 kg limit, so it shouldn't be that big problem with weight.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_26690372d9.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_7cee8c4ddc.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_5d7fede12b.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_62102204b6.jpg

More photos from 1st leg from mountain HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=790&fseason=2010) ;)

[Ciko]

What's with Turan?
They stucked in a ditch, maybe superrally for tomorrow.

[Barreis]

Nice pictures..

[Viridian Black]

Mikkelsan 1,15 total behind Henning,and 40 sec behind Brynildsen.
Think that he can catch Brynildsen if he keeps the pace he had at last stages. :D Lets hope to have a faultless Skoda.

Saw him today, he was VERY commited on braking etc :up:

[OldF]

]I think that main problem is power losses (I guess it may be around 3% of power). I know that Abarths used to have around 1170 kg in Barum Rally when there was 1150 kg limit, so it shouldn't be that big problem with weight.

Yes, if there’s 20-30 kg margin the main issue is power loss. 3% of 275 ps are about 8 ps and that can have crucial impact on the performance (depending on the weight of the co-driver :) ).
What I’ve seen the total loss of the transmission is about 15-20%.

[br21]

any photos of Abbrings car?

[pantealex]

swrc championship will be very interesting at Wales ,by positions till now in france.
If they finish as they are now,seems that 4 crews are going to fight/have posiibilities for championship in GB. :)

Championship points
1 Prokop 96
2 Pons 96
3 Ketomaa 83
4 Sandell 75
5 Brynildsen 53

This is rally number 7 for Prokop (and 6 for those others), so he can not score in Wales! So at the moment it looks bad for him!

[dimviii]

seems that Ketomaa has more possibilities at Wales if they finish france as they are?

[Bobcat]

]Škoda tried both variants during testing and found out that mechanical center differential doesn't bring much benefits but on the other hand also quite reasonable power loses for naturally aspirated engine and more weight. I think that currently no S2000 uses center differential except those old ones (Polo, Corolla, older Abarths). Peugeot was first to go this way with their Sadev transmission (they also first use a clutch in rear differential for releasing rear axle with use of handbrake). As far as I know X-Trac in Mini and Sadev in DS3 are also without center differential. I don't know about Ford in their new WRC car.
Wow, Fabia S2000 does not use a permanent/full-time four-wheel drive system!

[rage82]

In the end of leg 1
1. Loeb is on the top - not a surprise at all as he's on home event.
2. Sordo - also not a surprise as he's a tarmac driver.
3. Ogier and Latvala - really good stage times, JML is flying in the Focus.
4. Little disapointed from Peter, think he can go with the pace of other guys and hopefully see him on podium.
5. I can't hear anybody talking about Kimmi - he's going free of mistakes and mush faster than the others drivers like Wilslow, Villagra, Block. Of course he is much slower than the top guns but we can't compare to them i think :) Hope he can finish that rally and score some points.
6. Very impressed of the S- wrc battle. We have 4 drivers in 27 sec. and the norwegian Brynildsen is leading, quite a surprise for me. Like Ketomaa who in his first ever tarmac rally is fourth and probably can go faster tomorrow.
7. Neuville is ruling in J-wrc another prove that he can become a good and maybe reliable driver after all. Hope the bulgarian T. Slavov will finish the event :)
It' s quite late and i wish you guys a good night. See you tomorrow morning for the first stage !

[GigiGalliNo1]

Who else is driving a WRCar? Pug 307 i know is in there somewhere...

[Brother John]

Press release from Mads: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.norsk-rally.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26vie w%3Darticle%26id%3D7249%3Ainfo-fra-mads-og-jonas

Strange behavior of the Gendarmerie I must say!

Typically French but nobody believed me! :s mokin:

[Mirek]

Wow, Fabia S2000 does not use a permanent/full-time four-wheel drive system!

No, it does use permanent 4WD. The system is same as on Fiesta S2000. In fact it's the most permanent 4WD system of all :D

System without rear differential means that rear axle is powered directly by propshaft from front differential cage (angle transmission).

[wwbroe]

I guess Raikkonen made some mistake, because at last split he was only 10 sec off the pace, and look at the finishtime. :(

[wwbroe]

And Hirvonen was really feeling good, i wonder what times he would be setting if he is not feeling good.

[Retlub Ecaps]

Block was 10 mins late out of service

[Retlub Ecaps]

And Hirvonen was really feeling good, i wonder what times he would be setting if he is not feeling good.

I know JML has had some lessons with tarmac drivers, and competed in a couple of tarmac events outside the WRC this year. Has Hirvonen been getting that kind of extra tarmac practice?

[wwbroe]

Block was 10 mins late out of service

What was the rason for this being late?

[Retlub Ecaps]

What was the rason for this being late?

Don't know yet, but they had problems with the brakes and the hydraulics in the paddle-shift system yesterday. IIRC, they got a 45 minute service at end of day yesterday, and 15 minutes before start this morning; maybe that just wasn't enough time to get the car ready again?

[wwbroe]

Don't know yet, but they had problems with the brakes and the hydraulics in the paddle-shift system yesterday. IIRC, they got a 45 minute service at end of day yesterday, and 15 minutes before start this morning; maybe that just wasn't enough time to get the car ready again?

Ok, thanks for the info. ;)

[Retlub Ecaps]

Ok, thanks for the info. ;)

No problem.

Thinking about it more, though, I think they must have had a problem in the service this morning. They finished 10th yesterday, so it seems like the problems were not severe enough to justify taking a 1:40 penalty to fix them.

[Retlub Ecaps]

Radio just announced a delay on stage 10, don't know how long it'll be.

EDIT: Block just said the delay was indeed because it took too long to fix the hydraulic system, and apparently he asked the team to make sure it was fixed even if it caused a delay.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Neel Cole reported that there is heavy rain falling on Day 2 stages.
Can anyone confirm?

[Retlub Ecaps]

25 minute delay for stage 10

[wwbroe]

Another great time for Mikkelsen, he will catch-up with Ketooma pretty quick i suppose.

[rage82]

25 min delay i think

[wwbroe]

And what is the reason this time for the delay? Looks like organisation isn't doing so well. We allready had huge delays yesterday and today they did only one stage and we have another delay. :confused:

[bluuford]

Where is Gröndal?
Edit: he appeared.. late out of service?

[wwbroe]

Where is Gröndal?

He is there :)

[Iskald]

In the end of leg 1

6. Very impressed of the S- wrc battle. We have 4 drivers in 27 sec. and the norwegian Brynildsen is leading, quite a surprise for me. Like Ketomaa who in his first ever tarmac rally is fourth and probably can go faster tomorrow.
!

The battle is even more impressive if you also count the drivers not running for the championship (Henning Solberg and Andreas Mikkelsen). wrc.com will certainly ignore them, but we shouldn`t.

When you are "quite surprised" by Brynildsen it tells me that you haven`t been following rallying closely for very long. Go back less than one year and look at his performance in Wales, where he actually won and ended up 9th overall, but was excluded afterwards for a minor technical infringement. Eivind Brynildsens background is gokarting, he is a former norwegian champion, and tarmac should suit him very well indeed.

[Retlub Ecaps]

And what is the reason this time for the delay? Looks like organisation isn't doing so well. We allready had huge delays yesterday and today they did only one stage and we have another delay. :confused:

At least one of the delays yesterday was because there were way more spectators than expected, and marshals had to move the crowds. Maybe they just severely underestimated how popular this rally would be.

[wwbroe]

Looks like stage 10 finally got underway as i see some splits now. :D

[bluuford]

He is there :)

Well, Gröndal had to start before Tänak but his time appeared much later than Tänak´s time. So, I assumed he run out of order. Or just some timing problem.

[wwbroe]

Well, Gröndal had to start before Tänak but his time appeared much later than Tänak´s time. So, I assumed he run out of order. Or just some timing problem.

Ok, no problem Bluuford, just glad that he is there after all. Bad time for Paddon on this one tough.

[Retlub Ecaps]

Petter's flying so far, only a couple tenths behind Loeb on SS10.

[rage82]

The battle is even more impressive if you also count the drivers not running for the championship (Henning Solberg and Andreas Mikkelsen). wrc.com will certainly ignore them, but we shouldn`t.

When you are "quite surprised" by Brynildsen it tells me that you haven`t been following rallying closely for very long. Go back less than one year and look at his performance in Wales, where he actually won and ended up 9th overall, but was excluded afterwards for a minor technical infringement. Eivind Brynildsens background is gokarting, he is a former norwegian champion, and tarmac should suit him very well indeed.

Thanks for the info! Hope he can keep the pace and finish 1-st in S-wrc

[wwbroe]

Looks like Petter might overhaul JML on this stage. :)

Edit: and he did, he is now in front of JML

[Retlub Ecaps]

Looks like Petter might overhaul JML on this stage. :)

Yeah, he's 3.6s ahead of Latvala now.

[Retlub Ecaps]

Hmm, Raikkonen's third split is missing..

EDIT: WRC radio has confirmed he's stopped in the stage.

[wwbroe]

Raikkonen missing on the splits :confused: :confused:

[René]

Kimi stopped on stage

[Retlub Ecaps]

Neel Cole reported that there is heavy rain falling on Day 2 stages.
Can anyone confirm?

WRC Radio is saying "heavy showers on and off" around SS11, and constant heavy rain in the service park. Don't know about other stages, but drivers have been saying things are wet and messy.

[VFTS]

Looking at Bouffier's total time after 8 stages, he would be second overall in S2000's with 1.7 sec behind Henning. :)

Bouffier went fast yesterday, but I think he is running on BF Goodrich in the national championship.
All the others are running on Pirelli.

[wwbroe]

Bouffier went fast yesterday, but I think he is running on BF Goodrich in the national championship.
All the others are running on Pirelli.

Wich might be an advantage if it keeps raining. :)

[Mirek]

Yes, on wet Pirelli are better. It's opposite on warm dry tarmac but that's not the case now.

Problems for Kosciuszko and Prokop. Kimi is in a ditch...

[wwbroe]

Sandell beating Mikkelsen on this one, bad time for Kosciuszcko.

[Retlub Ecaps]

Kimi went off on a slow corner; he and his co-driver are okay, and the car is okay, but stuck. Apparently they're currently trying to find spectators to help.

[Salist]

Who else is driving a WRCar? Pug 307 i know is in there somewhere...

Frigyes Turan. He is a good hungarian rally driver. :)

[Sarac330d]

Bouffier went fast yesterday, but I think he is running on BF Goodrich in the national championship.
All the others are running on Pirelli.

Are you sure that he is runing on BF Goodrich, becouse in WRC Bulgaria, 4WD cars that was running for national championship weren`t alowed to start rally until they get Pirelli. Becouse there is rule for WRC races that all cars with 4WD must use Pirelli tires in WRC event

[Retlub Ecaps]

Does the 25min delay on SS10 mean all stages will start 25 minutes late today?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Frigyes Turan. He is a good hungarian rally driver. :)

Thank you.

If they could only mention him.. but first need to see what position he sits. :)

[Retlub Ecaps]

Looks like Raikkonen's moving again, after over 30 minutes stopped.

[N.O.T]

Raikonen is just hopeless.....

[Mirek]

35,5 km stage now...

[René]

Stage 11 will start 10h40

[René]

Are you sure that he is runing on BF Goodrich, becouse in WRC Bulgaria, 4WD cars that was running for national championship weren`t alowed to start rally until they get Pirelli. Becouse there is rule for WRC races that all cars with 4WD must use Pirelli tires in WRC event

Yes Bouffier use BF Goodrich...

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/680835/IMGP4954.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Raikonen is just hopeless.....

Not really. His first season... i think but he is consistent with offs... haha

So we can give him that, he is giving it a shot and hasn't been doing this as long as Wilson...

but then again we can't compare the two of them!

[GigiGalliNo1]

did they read my email out!? damn i just missed the read out!

[N.O.T]

kimi better find a job at mcdonalds....he could steal some cheeseburgers at least.

Wilson is just a spoiled little kid wasting daddys money.

ss11 is on...the battle between latvala and solberg is going to be interesting

Ketomaa did not have a good start this morning.

[jonkka]

Yes Bouffier use BF Goodrich...

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/680835/IMGP4954.jpg

Why the picture?

[muscrae]

Loeb is so fast, the others are losing a lot..
Petter is so fast, too. he is the best of the rest so far...

[Retlub Ecaps]

Loeb is so fast, the others are losing a lot..

The story of every tarmac rally..

[muscrae]

The story of every tarmac rally..

Yes, but in this stage the gap in splits are bigger, I meant that...

[René]

Why the picture?

To see the sticker BF Goodrich