Wrc Rallye de France

[jonkka]

To see the sticker BF Goodrich

Sticker on where? On car or on tyres?

[N.O.T]

Latvala is getting destroyed by Solberg so far.

[N.O.T]

Sticker on where? On car or on tyres?

on rear bumper below the total ones...

[Mirek]

Sticker on where? On car or on tyres?

He is on BFG. I have it confirmed from France. Here it's different than Bulgaria because nationals are separated. In Bulgaria they were part of WRC field. Anyway today in rain nationals have much worse conditions compared to yesterday.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Go Petter!! :D

[René]

Sticker on where? On car or on tyres?

on car, down of Total sticker

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loeb: Very tricky, narrow, difficult, no big pushing and good rhythm and when it was clean it was ok. Happy to be at the end.

[jonkka]

on rear bumper below the total ones...

Sticker on a car does not prove anything about the tyres. Audi was contractually obliged to use Klebers but went for Hakka's instead in 198x Swedish Rally. Just an example...

[N.O.T]

Solberg will get a solid lead over latvala if things continue this way.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sordo: 18.3 slower than Loeb - Very bad conditions, lost 5 secs

[N.O.T]

Sticker on a car does not prove anything about the tyres. Audi was contractually obliged to use Klebers but went for Hakka's instead in 198x Swedish Rally. Just an example...

i think on a private entry its rather rare to see this though....

[muscrae]

Ogier +22.3..!

[Retlub Ecaps]

The Fords are all losing huge amounts of time now.. Villagra's over a minute down on Loeb on split 4.

[muscrae]

Petter lost a lot in 6th and 7th splits, problem for him?

[N.O.T]

Petter lost a lot in 6th and 7th splits, problem for him?

he probably learned latvalas splits and reduced his pace

[Retlub Ecaps]

Petter lost a lot in 6th and 7th splits, problem for him?

He just said on WRC radio that he made a mistake at a junction.

[Retlub Ecaps]

The split times are getting crazy.. The road must be almost undrivable now.

[N.O.T]

henning and brynildsen faster than Cheeseburger boy....

[GigiGalliNo1]

cheeseburger boy?

[N.O.T]

http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/raikkonen-makes-experience-pay/?fid=13626

[Mirek]

Bouffier is now leading national field by 1:23 so he has no need to push...

[muscrae]

Müller?

[N.O.T]

muller out

[Sulland]

Why dont we see Mikkelsen on the splits ?

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/raikkonen-makes-experience-pay/?fid=13626

Ronald McDonald! Haha

No wonder why he wears hat all the time.

[Mirek]

Ketomaa had to pass Block on stage if there was only one minute...

[muscrae]

]Ketomaa had to pass Block on stage if there was only one minute...

:) :) :)

[Tom206wrc]

Crazy the gap between Loeb and the rest on SS11 :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

]Bouffier is now leading national field by 1:23 so he has no need to push...


There's already the thread "rally news in France" to talk about the natonal part of rallye de France ;)

[Mirek]

Why should we talk in two threads about one rally?

[jonkka]

Some are only interested in WRC part

[muscrae]

]Ketomaa had to pass Block on stage if there was only one minute...

2min gap at the start...

[N.O.T]

2minas gap at the start...

next year its going to be 1

[N.O.T]

ss12 is on...

[René]

Muller back on the road

[dimviii]

]Why should we talk in two threads about one rally?

+1
Boufier performance is interesting in conjuction with swrc boys,and we can t discuss it in 2 topics.

[blissard]

Crazy the gap between Loeb and the rest on SS11 :eek:

Yes, Loeb is good, but really, he must have some extra power in that car.

[Sulland]

Crazy the gap between Loeb and the rest on SS11 :eek:

This is normal Loeb tactics: He chooses a few ss and goes for it on them, and here he totally outperforms the rest.

The rally where he went out, and was far behind - he drove like this for a day.
If he needs to he is the best !

[muscrae]

SS 12 is live...

[Mirek]

Yes, Loeb is good, but really, he must have some extra power in that car.

Do You really think that reason why he took most of the time on the muddiest and most slippery stage is extra power?

[N.O.T]

Latvala goes crazy ....

[René]

Yes, Loeb is good, but really, he must have some extra power in that car.

Extra power on the water is only for boats not for the cars...

[N.O.T]

]Do You really think that reason why he took most of the time on the muddiest and most slippery stage is extra power?

no it because the 1 million euro gearbox Loebs car uses and Solberg doesn't...and of course the secret michelin tyres...

[muscrae]

JML is approaching to a crash I guess..! :)

[muscrae]

no it because the 1 million euro gearbox Loebs car uses and Solberg doesn't...and of course the secret michelin tyres...

Come on, then what about Sordo, JML, Hirvonen..!
This is sth other than mechanics, we call this 'skill'...

[GigiGalliNo1]

JLM fast?! Haha

[N.O.T]

this is exactly what Hirvonen lacks....the fighting spirit. With so much time lost hirvonen would just quit the battle with Solberg...but latvala wants another shot.

[muscrae]

Petter losing a lot to JML on that stage...
10.6sec, OMG..!

[N.O.T]

Latvala back in the fight !!!! very nice.

[blissard]

]Do You really think that reason why he took most of the time on the muddiest and most slippery stage is extra power?

Seeing that Sordo was 2nd on road, and even he was far behind (although he had a stall). Wasn't there someone some pages back who had measured their speed out of hairpins, where Loeb was some km faster than the others?

[N.O.T]

7 seconds now the difference with solbeg.

[muscrae]

What happened to Neuville on SS 11, he lost over 3min...?

[N.O.T]

Come on, then what about Sordo, JML, Hirvonen..!
This is sth other than mechanics, we call this 'skill'...

no its the car...secret power buttons inside, secret tyres and lazor beams....thats what gets you 7 consecutive titles...skill has nothing to do with rallying.

[muscrae]

thats what gets you 7 consecutive titles...skill has nothing to do with rallying.

:) You need to study more rallying philosophy...

[N.O.T]

ok..i quit.

[Mirek]

I find these conspirative theories amusing :)

[bluuford]

Loeb is just driving smart. he is first on the road, road is much cleaner. He cuts the corners and all the mud will be dragged to the road and cars behind have much worse conditions. The conditions are much worse during the second pass. Look at his times. he won most of the first passages and was much more careful during the second passes when the road was already dirty. Nothing else.

[Sulland]

Grøndal drives a perfect rally in the Prodrive Subaru in PWRC !

[blissard]

Sorry for not quoteing, this is my reply to that statement that Latvala is 0.16sec/km slower than Citorens.

I think bigger problem is car itself than drivers. After Rally Bulgaria that i attended, where me and few of my friends(all of us are rally drivers and co-drivers) measured speed with radar gun i pretty sure that problem is in car.

Becouse we measured speed on specific places, we searched for hairpins after which there is straight of 250-300 meters. In my measurments all cars have exit speed difference from hairpin of 1-2 km/h. After 250-300m speed difference is 10km/h more for all Citroens(except Loeb) vs all Ford cars. Loeb was all the time faster then other Citroens for additonal 2-3km/h.

So, in my opinion if some car is faster than another car on 250-300m section for 10km/h and more and they have similar exit speed out of corner, than it`s big problem in power and not in driver.

This is what I was talking about, conspiracy or not, it's interesting.

[ShiftingGears]

no its the car...secret power buttons inside, secret tyres and lazor beams....thats what gets you 7 consecutive titles...skill has nothing to do with rallying.

:laugh:

[Mirek]

This is what I was talking about, conspiracy or not, it's interesting.

In Germany my friend was with some guys measuring cornering speed in long corners by speed-gun and Loeb was always faster than others in the corner, so 2-3 km/h difference could easily be just because of better exit speed from the corner.

[Mirek]

Loeb is just driving smart. he is first on the road, road is much cleaner. He cuts the corners and all the mud will be dragged to the road and cars behind have much worse conditions. The conditions are much worse during the second pass. Look at his times. he won most of the first passages and was much more careful during the second passes when the road was already dirty. Nothing else.

True point.

[blissard]

]In Germany my friend was with some guys measuring cornering speed in long corners by speed-gun and Loeb was always faster than others in the corner, so 2-3 km/h difference could easily be just because of better exit speed from the corner.

Yes, but exit speed shouldn't be that much of a factor if those corners were hairpins?

[VFTS]

Do anyone know the nearly exact delay today? 30min?

[René]

Do anyone know the nearly exact delay today? 30min?

Service out 13h53 it is 20 mn later

[René]

Yes, but exit speed shouldn't be that much of a factor if those corners were hairpins?

It is impossible to measure a difference of car engine with such method. It is to play the science with piece of twines. On the contrary look at the video which follows and you will see difference between the very good and good drivers in a hairpin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNynA-yYvU&feature=player_embedded

[6789]

It is impossible to measure a difference of car engine with such method. It is to play the science with piece of twines. On the contrary look at the video which follows and you will see difference between the very good and good drivers in a hairpin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNynA-yYvU&feature=player_embedded

Ogier looked quickest through that hairpin.

We all had the same conversation in NZ, and thought it wouldn be hard to imagine that Loeb has a slightly different engine than Sordo and Ogier. Never really know but, without a doubt he is the best but

[muscrae]

This weekend is all about stage delays, shall the organizers be punsihed for that?

[René]

The stage 13 is live

[OldF]

If the marshals won’t help drivers who got stucked and don’t let the spectators to help, they could at least brush the corners before the second run of a stage. :D

[Mauri A]

This weekend is all about stage delays, shall the organizers be punsihed for that?
Sure not, they are only inexperienced and that is not their fault. The french authority in motorsports, FFSA or what it is, is totally incompetent, still living in 20'ties.

[jonkka]

If the marshals won’t help drivers who got stucked and don’t let the spectators to help, they could at least brush the corners before the second run of a stage. :D

I think Loeb has enough of advantage even without such help for him.

[muscrae]

Sordo Forza..! :)

[Barreis]

Who's that guy M.Hirvonen?

[ste898]

Can anyone tell me what Matt Wilson is doing in WRC he is a even bigger joke in this event than ever!!!!!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

I have no idea who he is but think he would be better suited as a Marshall organizer? Lol

[muscrae]

What happened to Ogier in the very final kms of the stage?

[blissard]

Ogier lost a lot of time in the end there.

[ste898]

I have no idea who he is but think he would be better suited as a Marshall organizer? Lol


Yes maybe that would be better for him and give the car to Gigi Galli?

[rjbetty]

I've always thought that the criticism of young Matt Wilson was a bit harsh. He's always gotten quicker year on year and I've always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But after apparently finishing "just" +2:26.4 off Sebastien Loeb on SS11 alone(!!!??!), I am struggling now. I was disappointed with the whining when Solberg drove into him in Sweden this year.

After supporting him since the beginning and always believing he could still get there in the end, I am wondering now whether I finally have to face the facts!

Please Stobart don't give up - but consider changing drivers...

[René]

Ogier had a small off road with damage on the suspension (broken).... Petter could take the 3th in the stage 15???

ES 15 16h13
ES 16 17h11

[GigiGalliNo1]

Yes maybe that would be better for him and give the car to Gigi Galli?

ha ha ha

hey he's not rallying... so you can't say anything until he's back in the WRC. so that comment doesn't count.

[pettersolberg29]

Another great time for Mikkelsen. He's beaten Wilson and Villagra on a lot of stages now and is not too far off getting points.

[pantealex]

Wilson is faster than his teammate... ...Block!
Maybe this is Stobart´s new tactic, because Block is second driver also in Spain (Catalonia).

[AndyRAC]

Wilson is faster than his teammate... ...Block!
Maybe this is Stobart´s new tactic, because Block is second driver also in Spain (Catalonia).

Now compare to the Citroen junior team. The Stobart team really are weak, and never threaten the podium.

[muscrae]

SS 15 is live...
This stage will be decisive in the final standings, I think...

[muscrae]

Ogier hitting a tree at the first pass of that long stage (SS11-15)
The stage is really narrow and sliperry...

http://wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-france-2010-ogier-into-a-tree/?vid=1792

[pettersolberg29]

Ogier stopped.

[GigiGalliNo1]

damn...

[muscrae]

Petter is flying..! :)

[N.O.T]

Solberg on a charge...

[René]

Ogier has started the stage with one spring of suspension fixed with belt.....

[muscrae]

If Petter can reach the end of the stage, then it's perfect, he is flyiiiinnggg..! :)

[René]

Kimi stopped too

[muscrae]

Petter's advantage reduces gradually...

[muscrae]

Petter wins the stage overHirvonen and Latvala.

[Halvis]

Either Petters tyres started to go, or he reduced the pace to conserve tyres, as he lost quite some time towards the end.

[muscrae]

citroenracing via twitter: Sébastien Ogier and Kimi Räikkönen will be back tomorrow in SuperRally.

[Halvis]

Haven't been able to follow the rally, when looking at the times, I'm stunned by the times of Mikkelsen!

[Mirek]

Top S2000 crews now in almost same time over 35 km (still waiting for Mikkelsen though) :)

[wwbroe]

Did you guys see the difference in time between first en second pass on the long stage, it is about two minutes :eek: :eek: :eek:

[René]

The delay start of this stage was because Bugalski went off road :)

[AndyRAC]

A driver of a WRC being beaten by a S2000 is wasting that seat......

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen missing...

[Barreis]

The delay start of this stage was because Bugalski went off road :)

As zero driver? What car?

[rjbetty]

A driver of a WRC being beaten by a S2000 is wasting that seat......

5 years - and not too far off the leading S2000 pace now...

Aw man I shouldn't be sarcastic really...

[wwbroe]

Anybody has more news about Mikkelsen or what happened with him? :(

[Barreis]

Kimi should go back to F1.. This's not good for him..

[wwbroe]

5 years - and not too far off the leading S2000 pace now...

Aw man I shouldn't be sarcastic really...

Give the guy a break, he is almost sixth and only about 13 minutes behind the rallyleader. Don't worry, he will get there one day. :D :D :D

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen finishes +7m.20s

[muscrae]

SS 16 is live...

[Rallyper]

Kimi should go back to F1.. This's not good for him..

I should´nt be that demagogic...

Kimi is doing well, in his learning year whatever some of you guys are telling.

Doing his first year in WRC he must test where the limits are. And - he´s doing just that. seems that his most offs are at slow corners, meaning his breaking points are not that adjusted.

But let´s wait and give the Kimi a fair chance. If he succeds next year that woulde be awesome. Remember the many years his fellow finns have had to be where they are now... ;)

[rjbetty]

Give the guy a break, he is almost sixth and only about 13 minutes behind the rallyleader. Don't worry, he will get there one day. :D :D :D

Seriously I wish that was true. I so want him to do well. I was so excited for him when he started in 2006. But this latest performance in particular is hard to stomach. I hope Stobart don't pull out - if they just get deserving Galli back...

[Allyc85]

Top drivers moaning about the mud on the stages, I say f'ing well get on with it!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87149

[muscrae]

JML is losing time...

[muscrae]

End of Day Two:
1. Sébastien Loeb
2. Daniel Sordo +42.8
3. Petter Solberg + 1.14.2
4. Jarri-Matti Latvala +1.34.2

It seems, the only battle will be btw Petter and Jarri-Matti...

[Rallyper]

So how about Sandell? He´s just flying at the moment. Hope he´ll wrap this up, then it will be exciting in GB!! :eek:

[AndyRAC]

Top drivers moaning about the mud on the stages, I say f'ing well get on with it!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87149

Agree, or don't have repeated stages, simple!! Organisers are given more freedom nowadays, you don't have to repeat them.

[René]

As zero driver? What car?



http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/277473/IMG_6736-border.jpg

[Allyc85]

Agree, or don't have repeated stages, simple!! Organisers are given more freedom nowadays, you don't have to repeat them.

I think they should deal with it, these are meant to be the best drivers in the world and it makes it so much more interesting with another variable thrown into the mix!

[Sulland]

What happened to Brynildsen ?

[Barreis]

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/277473/IMG_6736-border.jpg

Thanks..

[bluuford]

Gröndal had double puncture on the last stage and he is not sure if he can reach to the service.

[N.O.T]

I should´nt be that demagogic...

Kimi is doing well, in his learning year whatever some of you guys are telling.

Doing his first year in WRC he must test where the limits are. And - he´s doing just that. seems that his most offs are at slow corners, meaning his breaking points are not that adjusted.

But let´s wait and give the Kimi a fair chance. If he succeds next year that woulde be awesome. Remember the many years his fellow finns have had to be where they are now... ;)

indeed...don't pay attention to the critics they are just infidels...and lets not forget kimis tender age...

cheeseburger anyone ?

[pantealex]

N.O.T what do you think about other "hat boy" Block?

[N.O.T]

block needs a chin transplant....

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_692fcfcd14.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_bfe5916c5d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_a6451a8c69.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/790/790_francouzska_rally_4a2525ea81.jpg

More photos from 2nd leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=790&fseason=2010) ;)

[Barreis]

Again nice photos..

[alleskids]

When the SWRC would finish like this, it wil be very exciting in Wales GB
Pons 106 points
Prokop 104 - 2
Sandell 99 -7
Ketomaa 98 - 8

Nasser Al Attiyah was scedueld to do Japan, but his team Barwa Racing entered Prokop instead, so Al Attiyah has only done 5 rallies. Is the 7 rallies a maximum AND a minumum to be entered for the championship? If so, l Attiyah wil also be excluded.

[alexlake]

Again nice photos..

yeah, top top pics as usual :D :D I like C21 a lot! ;) ;)

[Barreis]

+1.. :)

[Rallyper]

indeed...don't pay attention to the critics they are just infidels...and lets not forget kimis tender age...

cheeseburger anyone ?

Why all this "cheesburger" bull**** talk? Just be fair! And you wouldn´t have to talk like that! :mad:

Seems like you have nothing else to say... :dozey:

[N.O.T]

lets be fair then

he is 30
he was kicked out of his profession
he got in here because of his sponsors
he has more offs than participations in rallies
he is slow
he is FAT
he shows no improvment in speed
he is antisocial
he has no future in any sport involving a steering wheel

fair enough ?

[Rallyper]

I doesn´t look like the frogs where interested in lifting him back on the road again.... :mad:

[Rallyper]

lets be fair then

he is 30
he was kicked out of his profession
he got in here because of his sponsors
he has more offs than participations in rallies
he is slow
he is FAT
he shows no improvment in speed
he is antisocial
he has no future in any sport involving a steering wheel

fair enough ?

What has it to do with cheeseburgers, man??

TBH it is not worth answering but I really have to, because more ridicoulous arguments haven´t been seen....

[N.O.T]

What has it to do with cheeseburgers, man??

TBH it is not worth answering but I really have to, because more ridicoulous arguments haven´t been seen....

the fact that he is FAT....

[Viridian Black]

I doesn´t look like the frogs where interested in lifting him back on the road again.... :mad:

Gendarmerie wouldn't let more spectators onto the stage :( . I was just down the road. Not sure what happened but it looked like Kimi gave up then 10 mins later they got into the car, reversed and kept on going.

[bluuford]

What happened to Brynildsen ?

Brynildsen had a slow puncture on the last stage.

Gröndal had only one spare wheel and he did not reached back to the service and took 10 minutes superally penalty.

[Mirek]

What happened to Brynildsen ?

Puncture

Edit: I'm slow :)

[JTGANG]

Isn't bit strange that a classic gravel/snow driver like Henning Solberg is beating all the contenters of SWRC ?? including Peugeot official French driver Bouffier if you compare their times until SS12.....

Was't expecting something like that.....

[Mirek]

Bouffier had huge lead in French championship and wasn't in direct fight with anyone and also very different road conditions, so it's hard to compare. Just look at times of the longest stage. WRC boys did second run two minutes slower than first run. French nationals were starting after some 60 cars of WRC field, so the road most probably looked more like in second run...

[Josti]

On a side note, who actually thinks this rally is a worthy successor of the Tour de Corse?

I think the roads are ok, the slippery conditions has of course helped the difficulty so far. But it does resemble Germany a lot of times. Spectator numbers have been good, though not that surprising when homedriver Loeb is around.

I'm not sure, now that I know that the TdC will return in the IRC next year in an entirely new form (unlike the butchered WRC version from recent years). I'm anctious to see how it will turn up, but I know the WRC promoter prefers a round on the main land, such as Alsace.

[bluuford]

]Puncture

Edit: I'm slow :)

No! I am just extremely fast :-P

[Sulland]

Isn't bit strange that a classic gravel/snow driver like Henning Solberg is beating all the contenters of SWRC ?? including Peugeot official French driver Bouffier if you compare their times until SS12.....

Was't expecting something like that.....

Just shows how bad the Focus is on Asphalt, and hopefully show Ford potential for next year. At least the Fiesta WRC is the most aggressive looking 2011 car !

[bluuford]

Well.. like some drivers comment.. this thing does not look like a tarmac :-)

[Julle69]

Somehow I can see NOT's point about Kimi when it's come to rallying. But that calling him FAT I don't buy att all. I saw Kimi personally in Neste oil rally and have a chat with him and I have to say that he was in really good shape. But what comes to his career in rally I think it's too late in his age. How he could ever have that experiment in rally like for example Ketomaa. It don't matter how talented you are but you still need lot of rallies to be a rally driver. And Kimi is not a rally driver, it would still take 5-10 years. I remember when we were watching Jyväskylän Suurajot in late 80's or in a start of 90's and Grönholm got Toyota Celica for a race. First stages and he went off. We were thinking that he never gonna be world top driver but everyone here knows what happened later. I think personally that it would be nice to see Kimi in good F1 car and him doing rally as a enjoyment few times a year. Still I don't like all the crap witch is written about Kimi, he is F1 world champion...

[Mirek]

Kimi's off on SS10. Some more experienced spectators would get the car back on the road quickly I think...

http://wrc.com/video/features/france-2010-kimi-ditches-it/?vid=1790

[6789]

]Kimi's off on SS10. Some more experienced spectators would get the car back on the road quickly I think...

http://wrc.com/video/features/france-2010-kimi-ditches-it/?vid=1790

Half of the spectators helping where lifting the car up and the rest were watching on the bank lol

[Barreis]

Somehow I can see NOT's point about Kimi when it's come to rallying. But that calling him FAT I don't buy att all. I saw Kimi personally in Neste oil rally and have a chat with him and I have to say that he was in really good shape. But what comes to his career in rally I think it's too late in his age. How he could ever have that experiment in rally like for example Ketomaa. It don't matter how talented you are but you still need lot of rallies to be a rally driver. And Kimi is not a rally driver, it would still take 5-10 years. I remember when we were watching Jyväskylän Suurajot in late 80's or in a start of 90's and Grönholm got Toyota Celica for a race. First stages and he went off. We were thinking that he never gonna be world top driver but everyone here knows what happened later. I think personally that it would be nice to see Kimi in good F1 car and him doing rally as a enjoyment few times a year. Still I don't like all the crap witch is written about Kimi, he is F1 world champion...
Totally agree..

[Juha_Koo]

]Kimi's off on SS10. Some more experienced spectators would get the car back on the road quickly I think...

http://wrc.com/video/features/france-2010-kimi-ditches-it/?vid=1790

Makes me wonder is there so called "professional spectators" anywhere else in the world except Finland... :rolleyes:

Maybe a good start for a new thread? "Rally spectating culture in my land" :D

[Mirek]

Yes, they are . I think that especially Hungary would be good rival to Finland in this competition :D

[6789]

In Australia you would probably get arrested if you tried to, they go overboard with the safety.

[Barreis]

In some countries if driver and codriver will run for help some spectators will robb the car in the running time.. :D

[blissard]

Watched the video "WRC news day 2" on wrc.com. It showed Loeb, Sordo, Ogier, Kimi, Block, then Loeb again. No mention of Petter, Latvala or Hirvonen. A bit lacking I would say, the support championships had much better coverage!

[alexlake]

In some countries if driver and codriver will run for help some spectators will robb the car in the running time.. :D

Yeah this would happen in South London. Oh, and they would stab you up for good measure.

[DonJippo]

]Kimi's off on SS10. Some more experienced spectators would get the car back on the road quickly I think...

Like late Pentti always said, have a rope with you! Would have saved a lot of time...

[JFL]

Watched the video "WRC news day 2" on wrc.com. It showed Loeb, Sordo, Ogier, Kimi, Block, then Loeb again. No mention of Petter, Latvala or Hirvonen. A bit lacking I would say, the support championships had much better coverage!

It's been like that on all the coverage this year..
Even on TV..
I've been in the ERC some time and about 15 years ago thay had to pay a fee to be filmed on tape, or even mentioned... maybe that's still going on..

Henning and his Norwegian friends mats and Andreas is not on anything... I know they're not in the SWRC, but still..
Cash is king...

[Juha_Koo]

]Yes, they are . I think that especially Hungary would be good rival to Finland in this competition :D

That's a good note. I remember many videos from Hungary where Trabant rolls and suddenly there's 25+ strong group turning it back on the wheels. :D

A good place for a legendary Gronholm quote back from 2005 and Sardinia... "Can you... CAN YOU TURN AROUND!!!" :D

[Mirek]

Nice asphalt :D

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/c_c2f0a30049ec2e064105f54021540058.jpg
http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/c_770b757137f9c12b821d9d0294bc5896.jpg

[jbmarcus21]

Photos Rallye de France Wrc 2010 http://planetemarcus.free.fr/photoswrcfrance10.htm

[pettersolberg29]

I didn't realise it was that muddy! These conditions are very rare on a 'tarmac' rally surely - normally mud pulled on to the road at hairpins or tight corners but the road there is 100% mud.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Spectator numbers have been good, though not that surprising when homedriver Loeb is around.


Question is, is Loeb big in France and well known with all the people? Is he on TV all the time as would other sporting figures be? Football and other sports?

I would like to know this...

[Bobcat]

]No, it does use permanent 4WD. The system is same as on Fiesta S2000. In fact it's the most permanent 4WD system of all :D

System without rear differential means that rear axle is powered directly by propshaft from front differential cage (angle transmission).
That's rubbish! http://www.guywilks.com/news.aspx

...the back of his Skoda UK Fabia S2000 and, most significantly of all, a problem with the rear differential on all 17 stages made the car difficult to keep in a straight line over the bumps,
Generally, this "very simple 4WD" system dispenses with a center differential and instead connects a spinning drive shaft directly to a rear differential. A sequential gearbox is coupled with front and rear differentials with "auto-locking". The gearbox and the front differential are integrated in an aluminium housing. These are connected to the rear differential via the longitudinal drive shaft.

[GigiGalliNo1]

How long until day start?

[bluuford]

according to the timetable then approximately 20 minutes.. but we are in France.. so just improvise something, but in one hour it should start for sure :-P

[bluuford]

Raikkonen will not start for the final day. Burkhart and Slavov have both got 3 minutes penalty from the stewards.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Haha bluuford

[bowler]

Question is, is Loeb big in France and well known with all the people? .

yes

[GigiGalliNo1]

Cool I didn't know

Because of the sport like here in Australia - Atkinson is not that big only to real rally enthusiasts but Webber is pretty big on a sporting celebrity.

[jonkka]

Atkinson is not that big only to real rally enthusiasts but Webber is pretty big on a sporting celebrity.

Andrew Lloyd? Most strange...

[jonkka]

Late again?

[StevieWonder]

what has happened again ?

[6789]

Some delay.. Saying spectators again

[René]

I can't imagine the people are all ready drunk ???

[dimviii]

nice photos
http://www.rallysportlive.com/rally-photos/?album=1&gallery=13

[6789]

I can't imagine the people are all ready drunk ???

From the TV coverage the spectaors looked controlled in pegged off areas. So god knows whats going on, if its **** organisation they wouldn't say that in the radio. Been heaps of spectators but

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYcTnkwCe_w&feature=player_embedded

[jonkka]

Stage started - finally...

[jonkka]

Sordo?

[René]

Loeb ???

[muscrae]

Loeb?

[dimviii]

Sordo after ss17 reported to had a leak from a hose.Don t know if he was able to fix it.


from wrc.com

Dani Sordo completed the stage with some ominous smoke coming from his C4 WRC. Reports from the road section to SS17 suggest this was due to a leaking water hose which Sordo has been able to fix.

[muscrae]

Ok Seb is at at the finish..

[muscrae]

Solberg went off, lost a lot of time...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Andrew Lloyd? Most strange...

Who?

[jonkka]

Who?

Exactly.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Who?

renowned australian 'cat' lover and f1 driver lol

[GigiGalliNo1]

But like I said I dontfollow other motor sports so don't know who famous other Australian drivers are... Cept rally.

[muscrae]

Brynildsen stopped.

[Sulland]

Oh noooo Brynildsen

[dimviii]

Brynildsen stopped.

Pitty for him,and also for us.No fight at swrc also.

I think Brynildsen retire is good for Ketomaa standings?

[jonkka]

and f1 driver

Driver of a what?

[6789]

When's next stage live?

Gigi, you should watch Bathurst 1000 next w/e, it's pretty sick.

[StevieWonder]

Pitty for him,and also for us.No fight at swrc also.

I think Brynildsen retire is good for Ketomaa standings?

and bad for Pons - Sandell and Ketomaa make more points !

[KKS]

Will be live coverage from last SS?

[GigiGalliNo1]

When's next stage live?

Gigi, you should watch Bathurst 1000 next w/e, it's pretty sick.

Don't be silly, Australian touring cars?

No thanks. Ford vs GM..... driving in CIRCLES?!

Should watch NASCAR instead.

HAH

(sorry but I don't like circuit racing, it gets boring and I never got into it - rally for me, any championship)

[GigiGalliNo1]

After SS18:

Pos No Driver Time Diff
Prev Diff
1st
1. 1 S. LOEB M 3:02:32.6 0.0 0.0
2. 2 D. SORDO M 3:03:10.4 +37.8 +37.8
3. 11 P. SOLBERG 3:03:52.1 +41.7 +1:19.5
4. 4 J. LATVALA M 3:04:06.3 +14.2 +1:33.7
5. 3 M. HIRVONEN 3:06:19.5 +2:13.2 +3:46.9
6. 7 S. OGIER M 3:14:30.5 +8:11.0 +11:57.9
7. 9 F. VILLAGRA 3:16:44.4 +2:13.9 +14:11.8
8. 5 M. WILSON 3:16:59.6 +15.2 +14:27.0
9. 16 H. SOLBERG 3:19:04.7 +2:05.1 +16:32.1
10. 24 P. SANDELL 3:19:32.3 +27.6 +16:59.7
11. 29 J. KETOMAA 3:21:32.8 +2:00.5 +19:00.2
12. 43 K. BLOCK 3:22:08.4 +35.6 +19:35.8
13. 14 K. AL QASSIMI 3:22:16.5 +8.1 +19:43.9
14. 28 X. PONS S 3:22:47.5 +31.0 +20:14.9
15. 23 M. KOSCIUSZKO S 3:22:47.9 +0.4 +20:15.3

[Mirek]

That's rubbish! http://www.guywilks.com/news.aspx

Of course, it was rubbish. Thinking faster than writing. I meant system without center differential. I think that no-one could imagine the car doesn't have rear one as You reacted, especially when I wrote about system without center diff in all previous posts...

[snellman]

i hope latvala takes solberg :)

[Allar]

Will be live coverage from last SS?
Yes...

but online link anywhere?

[KKS]

Yes...

but online link anywhere?

First we must know channel name, then possible get link :)

[René]

The stage 19 could be cancelled..... :confused:

[KKS]

It was

[Barreis]

Only 4.2km and another championship is in pocket..

[KKS]

René, could u told witch tv channel should broadcast final stage?

[muscrae]

SS 19 Cancelled officially?

[V.Gatev]

Is that sure about SS 19?

[René]

Yes

[René]

René, could u told witch tv channel should broadcast final stage?

I will try to do it..

[Rally Hokkaido]

The stage 19 could be cancelled..... :confused:

Well, it seems a risky idea to run a long stage twice in a row. Even with a big break between, a lot of time can be lost removing one or two rally cars from dangerous positions, etc.

Combine the above with the facts the rally is already behind time and there is a live stage scheduled, it may be that the organisers have decided to cut SS19
to catch up time. Or is there another reason?

[6789]

Don't be silly, Australian touring cars?

No thanks. Ford vs GM..... driving in CIRCLES?!

Should watch NASCAR instead.

HAH

(sorry but I don't like circuit racing, it gets boring and I never got into it - rally for me, any championship)

:(


Haha, nah all cool. Bathurst is the only one I watch. Went to my first f1 race when I was like 6, so don'tind circuit racing too. Rally is still the most exciting that I have been too. Shame about the cancelled stage. Looks like loeb is champ, big congrats n

[rage82]

Just heard on the radio, that Dani's car has stopped

[paddocknews]

Just heard on the radio, that Dani's car has stopped

good morning :)

[René]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

[Sulland]

Why is ss19 cancelled ?

[jonkka]

Merci René!

[René]

Why is ss19 cancelled ?

Too much people

[René]

Merci René!

you're welcome :)

[jbmarcus21]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

you think it is Orange Sport ???... I think this link is Orange Sport "Info" ;)

[KKS]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

Great! Thank you René

[KKS]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

Great! Thank you René

[6789]

Just heard on the radio, that Dani's car has stopped
That must have been a repeat?

[V.Gatev]

Many thanks Rene. Big thanks from bulgarian fans.

[GigiGalliNo1]

:(


Haha, nah all cool. Bathurst is the only one I watch. Went to my first f1 race when I was like 6, so don'tind circuit racing too. Rally is still the most exciting that I have been too. Shame about the cancelled stage. Looks like loeb is champ, big congrats n

Sorry sir, you mean the 24hr race with regular spec automobiles? Like Subarus and lancers? Then count me in. I'll watch!!

Rally over anything anyday!!

Even sleep!!!

Last stage now,, hope this one will run on time?! Haha

[6789]

Sorry sir, you mean the 24hr race with regular spec automobiles? Like Subarus and lancers? Then count me in. I'll watch!!

Rally over anything anyday!!

Even sleep!!!

Last stage now,, hope this one will run on time?! Haha


It would be the first stage to run on time!

Edit ;- meant on time

[Gordini]

Looks like the R1 Twingo will make it to the end, not bad from a pretty standard car!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Live?! That's crazy!!

Rally Australia use to run stages live, GB has done it before.

Certainly IRC does them more

But it's great the WRC will do this.

[6789]

Live?! That's crazy!!

Rally Australia use to run stages live, GB has done it before.

Certainly IRC does them more

But it's great the WRC will do this.
Yeah sorry , meant on time for Rally France.. Yeah, i was there for that stage in Aus and i saw a stage in Turkey live this year

Another stream link i found

http://www.freeetv.com/modules.php?name=Video_Stream&page=watch&id=1485

[rage82]

That must have been a repeat?

Yes, obviously. I just turn the radio on and heard that :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Regarding the organization and marshaling of this rally, stage cancelations, over crowding, stage end disruptions ie media trying to get interviews but fans pushing in for autographs, heart and cardiac attacks and delays - will this round be run again in the same area?!

[ProRally]

Regarding the organization and marshaling of this rally, stage cancelations, over crowding, stage end disruptions ie media trying to get interviews but fans pushing in for autographs, heart and cardiac attacks and delays - will this round be run again in the same area?!

No

[Rally Hokkaido]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

Merci, René

[jonkka]

Rally is not on time...

[6789]

Yes, obviously. I just turn the radio on and heard that :)
yeah, i thought Petter got P2! all good

[jbmarcus21]

http://www.tv-direct.fr/live_orangesports.php

It is not a Live Channel .. It is just sport info wkend.. repeat repeat all days

ORange Sport is not free, and no link ;)

[blissard]

So does anyone know when it starts?

wrc.com should put out some info on these delays, update the itinerary, have a live text stream or just SOMETHING.

[6789]

1 min, supposedly..

WRC.com should have it, even if you had to pay I would get it

[René]

http://alsace.france3.fr/rallye-de-france/index.php?page=article&numsite=6272&id_article=13778&id_rubrique=6275

[jonkka]

It's on...

[GigiGalliNo1]

1 min, supposedly..

WRC.com should have it, even if you had to pay I would get it

I'd pay for it.

[rage82]

last link is working, not sure they will broadcat live but they speak about rally France

[René]

Sorry but nothing in live that is shame for French country

[René]

http://alsace.france3.fr/rallye-de-france/index.php?page=article&numsite=6272&id_article=13778&id_rubrique=6275

[jonkka]

Beguin on telly... :)

[Brother John]

Sorry but nothing in live that is shame for French country


http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0095.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0095.gif) French organisation. :down:

[René]

Colin Clark close to the heart break !!

[blissard]

Congrats Loeb with another title!

And Petter for third place :)

[ste898]

Loeb wins another titile yawn yawn......

but how come it took him so far into the season to win it as he nad NO competition

[pettersolberg29]

Well done Loeb - another great season.
Great result for Petter and JML too.

Looking forward to Spain now that Loeb doesn't have to think about the Championship.

[FAlonso]

Many congrats to Loeb and Citroen!

Amazing season and an amazing fairytale weekend under some extreme pressure.