Rally in Turkey April 2010

[jonkka]

That is not good for Mikko's championship hopes.

Yeh - that's already three gravel rallies that Mikko should have won if he's to have any shot at the title. I fear that it's all lost, considering the number of tarmac events to come. Haven't done the math yet but...

[Langdale Forest]

Mikko got puncture and car is full of dust.

[White Sauron]

Citroen vs Ford 2010.

1st drivers Main team:
Loeb better than Hirvonen on both gravel and tarmac
2nd drivers Main team:
Sordo better than Latvala on tarmac and equal on gravel
1st drivers Aff.team:
Ogier is much better than H.Solberg on all surfaces, better than Latvala on tarmac and equal on gravel.
2nd drivers Aff.team:
Raikkonen is better than Wilson already now.
Ind.drivers:
P.Solberg is obviously better than Block, Villagra, as good as Hirvonen and Latvala, near match to Loeb.

So with all this, does Ford any chances at all? No!!! Because of the weakest drivers line-up possible...((

[6789]

Citroen vs Ford 2010.

1st drivers Main team:
Loeb better than Hirvonen on both gravel and tarmac
2nd drivers Main team:
Sordo better than Latvala on tarmac and equal on gravel
1st drivers Aff.team:
Ogier is much better than H.Solberg on all surfaces, better than Latvala on tarmac and equal on gravel.
2nd drivers Aff.team:
Raikkonen is better than Wilson already now.
Ind.drivers:
P.Solberg is obviously better than Block, Villagra, as good as Hirvonen and Latvala, near match to Loeb.

So with all this, does Ford any chances at all? No!!! Because of the weakest drivers line-up possible...((
I have to agree, Ford would have been better off putting Petter into the Stobart team or soemthing to help with the fight with Loeb. Bit of a shame for Ford after Sweden

[Langdale Forest]

Stobart team should replace Matthew Wilson with Petter Solberg.

[Viking]

Stobart team should replace Matthew Wilson with Petter Solberg.

But Petter has no interests in driving for the Stobart (b)team...

[PLuto]

Tanäk stopped :-(

[N.O.T]

so citroen is 1-2-3-5-6

goodnight Mr Wilson.

[N.O.T]

so will the repeat of the first two stages be cancelled as well ??

[White Sauron]

so citroen is 1-2-3-5-6

goodnight Mr Wilson.

I wonder if this rally's results finally make Wilson change replace at least some drivers in his teams if not all but one...

[N.O.T]

well only hirvonen gets payed..... so i guess not

[muscrae]

so will the repeat of the first two stages be cancelled as well ??

I heard that if the conditions worsen, then probably... But at that moment, they won't probably be cancelled, let's wait for service news...

[Sulland]

This is BS. Rallycars and drivers should be able to drive on any surface, thats is part of the endurance, pls let them.

Do we have any pics of the conditions ?

[Tom206wrc]

I wonder if this rally's results finally make Wilson change replace at least some drivers in his teams if not all but one...


And replacing Ford made engines by Citroën made ones in the Focus bonnets ??? :p :

[Langdale Forest]

This is BS. Rallycars and drivers should be able to drive on any surface, thats is part of the endurance, pls let them.


100% agree.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7563&desc=SS18%20and%20SS19%20cancelled

[ShiftingGears]

Very disappointed about stage cancellation. Why is safety vehicle access a problem, if rally cars can navigate the stage?(albeit handicapped)

[Langdale Forest]

Surley sticky mud in Turkey is no more dangerous than dry tarmac tyres on snow and ice in Monte-Carlo?

[Maui J.]

wtf? Is this a chat forum for 12-year olds?? Can some of you go study this word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony) and also shut the f.. up?

Brilliant! Someone had to say it.

[bowler]

V Why is safety vehicle access a problem, if rally cars can navigate the stage?(albeit handicapped)

Safety vehicles (ambulances mainly) are very different to rally cars, and if they cannot access the stages, then the stage cannot be run.

There are very specific requirements for emergency vehicle placement.

The choice of vehicles is a different issue, and I have no knowledge of what type of vehicles are used in Turkey. Certainly in most countries ambulances are conventional 2wd vehicles that cannot negotiate heavy mud.

An event like a rally requires lots of ambulances, and it is unlikely that there would be 4wd drive ambulances available in numbers, especially close to a large city where conventional vehicles would be the norm.

[6789]

Chances of Ogier replacing Sordo next year? Pretty high i would think

[Langdale Forest]

When will the next stage be on? (UK time)

[Maui J.]

That`s wrong, irony is like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron. ;)

That's right Baldrick!

[6789]

When will the next stage be on? (UK time)
Next stage is in 42 minutes

[sollitt]

You're onto it, Bowler.

[ShiftingGears]

An event like a rally requires lots of ambulances, and it is unlikely that there would be 4wd drive ambulances available in numbers, especially close to a large city where conventional vehicles would be the norm.

I admit I have no idea how many safety vehicles are needed for a WRC rally, but I do think WRC would be wise to have some sort of custom safety vehicles ready if this situation eventuates.

[sollitt]

The WRC doesn't "have" any of this gear. These are provided on a local level.
We just have to accept that given certain conditions there will be times when stages cannot be run. That is the nature of our sport.
Of course we would expect the calendar to include rallies on which weather would not be expected to adversely effect the running of the event and to exclude those where it might. But that is not always easy to predict.

[N.O.T]

i guess no news means that the stages will be run normally this time.....

[N.O.T]

ss21 should be on now...

[René]

Stage is started..

[N.O.T]

Loeb started the stage

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg slower...

[6789]

Solbert 1 sec slower at 2nd split

[N.O.T]

Sordo has Solberg in his sights...

[Langdale Forest]

wrc.com splits stopped working

[ShiftingGears]

The WRC doesn't "have" any of this gear. These are provided on a local level.

Exactly, my point being that it should at least be considered to have custom gear.

[N.O.T]

Solberg had a small off...

[6789]

Solberg had a small off...
:( Hit a tree

[N.O.T]

Sordo will definately overtake solberg....

[N.O.T]

or not...sordo crashed....

[René]

Sordo stopped!!!!!!

[6789]

Sordo stopped!!!!!!
Unreal!!

[pettersolberg29]

Sordo will definately overtake solberg....

Mmm... ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Must be very slippery conditions!

[N.O.T]

disastrous season for Sordo so far.....he is the latvala of 2010

[Hartusvuori]

Not exactly the best start of the season for Sordo. Sweden was still okeyish (he would've lost his 3rd position to Latvala even without his silly mistake), but after that, to quote Petter Solberg: "Oi joi joi!". And with Ogier breathing down his neck, he should be thinking a plan B for his future. I don't mean that Sordo has lost his speed, but this definitely means his lost some of his confidence and consistency.

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier is a far more superior driver than Sordo.

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier also damaged the car!

[Hartusvuori]

Ogier is a far more superior driver than Sordo.

This is you-are-as-good-as-your-last-race -thinking.

[N.O.T]

according to ogier sordo had mechanical failure....

[Henrii6]

The only point where Ogier is far superior then latvala is his consistency :vader:

[bowler]

Exactly, my point being that it should at least be considered to have custom gear.

it doesn't warrant having 10 special ambulances to park up in a shed, and be shipped around the world in case a WRC event needs them.

The cost would be horrendous.

who would pay?

[Viking]

well thats it then, cruising mode on. Lets hope Petters car is ok.

[Livewireshock]

Exactly, my point being that it should at least be considered to have custom gear.

The cost of transporting a considerable fleet of vehicles is extensive. Airfreighting weighty suitable vehicles would be prohibitive. To sea freight them would require two separate fleets to ensure that one set of vehicles is leap frogged ahead on to the next event. So still expensive.

Thus local support assets must be sourced to be viable. It is also a requirement that those assets are in addition to existing emergency services and support agencies. Basically so the rally can not be blamed for draining local services and life can be served just like a normal day. In some cases, the facilities brought in for the rally can be a bonus to the local population, such as Rally NZ in 2008 when a medical helicopter responded to a child who had fallen off a roof in minutes in a remote part of NZ that would have taken ages to reach by vehicle.

At Rally Australia, the New South Wales Ambulance Service used the chance to test out a brand new 6 wheeled ambulance, just introduced into service. So it can be a benefit to local authorities, to test and promote their capabilities.

[Tom206wrc]

So many things can still happen on this rally :s

[Langdale Forest]

SS22 started..

[Tom206wrc]

Really NICE times for Burak Cukurova today too !!! What pitty the mechanical prob at end of day 1 on his 207 :(

[Halvis]

Petter +0.5 on split 1 - hopefully a sign that his car is OK.

[jonkka]

Petter missing a split

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg P ??? No 2nd split :confused:

[wwbroe]

No second split for Petter, Hirvonen loosing allready 7,7 sec. :confused:

[Halvis]

If nothing else happens with the top drivers, Petter will be 2nd in the Championship standings. Not bad for a has-been, eh?

[Halvis]

If nothing else happens with the top drivers, Petter will be 2nd in the Championship standings. Not bad for a has-been, eh?

Auch, I really hope I didn't jinx him....

[jonkka]

just a GPS glitch

[pettersolberg29]

Petter +16s at 3rd split.

[Langdale Forest]

If nothing else happens with the top drivers, Petter will be 2nd in the Championship standings. Not bad for a has-been, eh?

Petter Solberg has never been a 'has been'. ;)

[jonkka]

Petter Solberg has never been a 'has been'. ;)

:eek:

[ShiftingGears]

The cost of transporting a considerable fleet of vehicles is extensive. Airfreighting weighty suitable vehicles would be prohibitive. To sea freight them would require two separate fleets to ensure that one set of vehicles is leap frogged ahead on to the next event. So still expensive.

Thus local support assets must be sourced to be viable. It is also a requirement that those assets are in addition to existing emergency services and support agencies. Basically so the rally can not be blamed for draining local services and life can be served just like a normal day. In some cases, the facilities brought in for the rally can be a bonus to the local population, such as Rally NZ in 2008 when a medical helicopter responded to a child who had fallen off a roof in minutes in a remote part of NZ that would have taken ages to reach by vehicle.

At Rally Australia, the New South Wales Ambulance Service used the chance to test out a brand new 6 wheeled ambulance, just introduced into service. So it can be a benefit to local authorities, to test and promote their capabilities.

Interesting! Those are fair points.

Out of curiousity - I don't know much about the local services of rally host cities - if there were conditions like we saw in the cancelled stages today in any gravel WRC rally, would any local emergency vehicles be able to navigate them?

[N.O.T]

Loeb is just a league of his own.....surounded by sick puppies...

[Halvis]

The stage times today indicates that there is an advantage to be first on the road.

[bowler]

Interesting! Those are fair points.

Out of curiousity - I don't know much about the local services of rally host cities - if there were conditions like we saw in the cancelled stages today in any gravel WRC rally, would any local emergency vehicles be able to navigate them?

most places have specialist emergency vehicles, but seldom enough to cover all the requirements.

A WRC rally has back up radio points every 5 km, and an ambulance around every 15km, with specialist equipment contained within each ambulance.

Specialist cutting gear is carried also to cut through roll cages, and this is not required for normal cars.

Normally the equipment used would not be concentrated in the small area that a WRC event covers (in relative terms)

[bretddog]

Petter driving on Mikko's splits. Smart move. No point to risk 18 great points with so few km's left. He tried, but that tree hit some sense into him.

[Sulland]

Must be something wrong with the live timing, or has both Petter and Hirvonen punctured ?

[Tom206wrc]

Splits frozen ??? :mark:

[Langdale Forest]

Must be something wrong with the live timing, or has both Petter and Hirvonen punctured ?

Both of them have now finished the stage. :)

[Tom206wrc]

Incredible results for Räikkönen !!! Who would have picked him up in 5th position(even though rally not over yet) ??? :p :

[Livewireshock]

Interesting! Those are fair points.

Out of curiousity - I don't know much about the local services of rally host cities - if there were conditions like we saw in the cancelled stages today in any gravel WRC rally, would any local emergency vehicles be able to navigate them?

Every country has different capabilities and makes it hard to generalise. The primary concern for any stage would be access for emergency vehicles. Can not rely solely on air support to reach a striken vehicle. The only landing zone could be quite distant to the crash scene and may not have the needed extraction equipment needed. Access by land is paramount.

[Tom206wrc]

Henning is currently flying...virtually the 2nd fastest(after Loeb and ahead of Latvala) ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Dani Sordo has officialy retired.

[muscrae]

Fantastic result for Raikkonen... And incredible commitment from Loeb there... :)

[Tom206wrc]

Off for Henning ??? :confused:

[Sulland]

Must be something wrong with the live timing, or has both Petter and Hirvonen punctured ?


Petter driving on Mikko's splits. Smart move. No point to risk 18 great points with so few km's left. He tried, but that tree hit some sense into him.


Sometimes I am a bit slow...... :confused: :p

[Langdale Forest]

Will the Icelandic volcano affect WRC teams and drivers from returning home?

[Viking]

Off for Henning ??? :confused:

Lost 3min, puncture maybe??

[bowler]

Will the Icelandic volcano affect WRC teams and drivers from returning home?

yes

[Viking]

Will the Icelandic volcano affect WRC teams and drivers from returning home?

Answer to that is Yes, depending of where you are going :)

[Hartusvuori]

Lost 3min, puncture maybe??

Henning kind of ended the rally like he started it. First some promising splits (even if on this meaningless stage) and then he hits a problem. Oh well...

From spectator's point of view this Day 3 must've been frustrating. Stages cancelled and only a handful of drivers overall.

[PLuto]

I am only "computer spectator" of Rally Turkey, but for me it is frustrating from the beginning. very boring event, as mostly usual in WRC...

[Tom206wrc]

Wow stunning time by Burak Cukurova again on SS22 :)
He's back at only +56" from lady driver Burçu Cetinkaya whereas he returned under superrally rules :eek:

[muscrae]

The last stage is live...

[muscrae]

Wow stunning time by Burak Cukurova again on SS22 :)
He's back at only +56" from lady driver Burçu Cetinkaya whereas he returned under superrally rules :eek:

Yeah, he's flying... :)

[Hartusvuori]

Answer to that is Yes, depending of where you are going :)

Would be interesting to know had teams thought about flying directly to New Zealand from Turkey. Okey, NZ is still weeks away, but the recce starts two weeks from now. What if volcanic ash prevents all flights still week from now or so?

In all this ash problem is a strong reminder that flying shouldn't be always the only method to travel, or at least people should know more about alternatives. It's still nice to see that carpools are surfacing in Facebook and perhaps some people seriously help each other.

[N.O.T]

In all this ash problem is a strong reminder that flying shouldn't be always the only method to travel, or at least people should know more about alternatives. It's still nice to see that carpools are surfacing in Facebook and perhaps some people seriously help each other.

what alternatives are there in rallies that are an ocean away ? swimming ?

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb's just won his 57th WRC event!

[muscrae]

And Seb wins... :)

[bowler]

loeb wins. good drive, from the front

[N.O.T]

this number is ridiculous....

[Langdale Forest]

this number is ridiculous....

He is the greatest ever, so it cannot be rediculous.

[N.O.T]

Loeb is around 30 points ahead in the championship now with 4 tarmac events remaining....

the finish managers must start to work overtime now.....

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier is flying on the last SS :eek:

[Hartusvuori]

what alternatives are there in rallies that are an ocean away ? swimming ?

Teleporting? I was commenting the situation in general. If you're now seeking a way home from continent to continent, you are in trouble.

[Halvis]

And Petter goes second, in the rally and overall. Great stuff from him too. As everyone knows, he operates with just a fraction of Citroen and Fords budget!

[Langdale Forest]

And Petter goes second, in the rally and overall. Great stuff from him too. As everyone knows, he operates with just a fraction of Citroen and Fords budget!


All his hard work will pay of for him one day and prehaps New Zealand will be his lucky rally! ;)

[muscrae]

TRT's Live coverage from SS23 and Service park...

http://trt.net.tr/Canli/canli.aspx?kanal=TV2&slv=0

[EavesFan09]

I am not a Citroen fan but a word about Ogier too I think.

[Langdale Forest]

Kimi finished in 5th, a true rally driver! :D

[N.O.T]

good result for peter indeed and good result for raikonen as well. OK he will never be any good or worth mentioning but at least he doesn;t create any problems to citroen now by crashing cars.

Mr Wilson should start consider spending some money on his M-Sport firm and not his son...because Citroen are currently wipping away his talents with no mercy...i guess the finish managers did a good job brainwashing wilson. sent the kid home and offer a free run in the stobart focus to PG and we might see a little action.

[EavesFan09]

Kimi finished in 5th, a true rally driver! :D

Slowly moving up the table. From 6th to 5th now.

[EavesFan09]

Mr Wilson should start considering spending some money on his M-Sport firm and not his son...because Citroen are currently wipping away his talents with no mercy...i guess the finish managers did a good job brainwashing wilson. sent the kid home and offer a free run in the stobart focus to PG and we might see a little action.

I have missed you! :)

Be interesting to see where Sordo will be placed. At the moment Ogier and Raikkonen overtake him in the standings and will do if he doesn't go as fast as Ogiers time.

[Langdale Forest]

good result for peter indeed and good result for raikonen as well. OK he will never be any good or worth mentioning



5th place for Kimi, is that worth mentioning? :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Henning fast on the first two splits, and then very slow on the rest :confused:

[muscrae]

Puncture for Henning, two punctures...

[J4MIE]

Seb showing how it's done as usually :up:

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting times from Ken Block too :)

[N.O.T]

I have missed you! :)

Be interesting to see where Sordo will be placed. At the moment Ogier and Raikkonen overtake him in the standings and will do if he doesn't go as fast as Ogiers time.


sordo will be palced in latvala mode from on i guess......

[EavesFan09]

Interesting times from Ken Block too :)

Not that far of Miko it seems.

[EavesFan09]

sordo will be palced in latvala mode from on i guess......

That bad? Where is Sordo btw? Problems running?

[bassist]

Jarri Matti, final stage end, "I will learn from this mistake" - How much more tuition does he need????? Malcomb has a problem now- Mikko must be unhappy with the support he is getting, which cant be helping his confidence! Stick PG in there, and young Breen- cant do any worse!!!! I dont want to see Seb run away with it, The only excitement left is Petter and Ogiers performances.

[Tom206wrc]

Burçu Cetinkaya finished first turkish driver(12th overall)just 10" ahead of Burak Cukurova :p :

[EavesFan09]

I am miffed Loeb wins again but happy Mikko finished 3rd and Villagra who runs for M-Sport supported Muchi's ended 6th. Of course Petter (who has a British co-driver - that is why I like him) did really well too.

[Rallyper]

what alternatives are there in rallies that are an ocean away ? swimming ?
As far as I know the volcano hasn´t affected shipping yet! :D So swimming won´t be necessary. ;)

[muscrae]

Burçu Cetinkaya finished first turkish driver(12th overall)just 10" ahead of Burak Cukurova :p :

Actually, Serhat Öztemir was way ahead of that duo, he was 11th overall after SS22, but unfortunately he had a problem on the very last stage and dropped behind Çetinkaya and Çukurova. And do not forget that Çukurova did superally, so he is actually the fastest of that trio, also Serhat Öztemir is driving an Evo IX...

[Woodeye]

...i guess the finish managers did a good job brainwashing wilson.

Are you living in somekind of a land or planet of your own? you have now come up with somekind of odd managers and yet you have no idea who these managers might be.

[janvanvurpa]

Petter Solberg has never been a 'has been'. ;)

Good god, child, can you possibly put a fawking muzzle on?
You don't HAVE TO type a response to every single other comment, especially if you are going to mainly talk nonsense.


PLEASE (there, I was polite) shut the fawk up.

[janvanvurpa]

Fantastic result for Raikkonen... And incredible commitment from Loeb there... :)


OK, sure the field is really thin these days in WRC, but his results COMPARED to those immediately around him shames those boys, and some of those guys in Fords, not saying any names mind you but some who have 5 seasons or ERC or 5 seasons of being "factory" SRTUSA, should be ashamed..


Just think what Raikkonenenen could have done in rally if he hadn't wasted all that time driving F1 crap...

[N.O.T]

Just think what Raikkonenenen could have done in rally if he hadn't wasted all that time driving F1 crap...

he would be a lot poorer....

[EavesFan09]

Are you living in somekind of a land or planet of your own? you have now come up with somekind of odd managers and yet you have no idea who these managers might be.

I must admit I wasn't aware WRC drivers had managers. PR Representatives maybe but managers?

[N.O.T]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyZdMsBCpTE

[J4MIE]

I must admit I wasn't aware WRC drivers had managers. PR Representatives maybe but managers?

Yes they have managers, the top guys anyway.

[PJRevs]

Is there any pictures of Pirelli Star Drivers cars, or what is left of them?

[Josti]

Routine job for Loeb again. Congrats.

Great to see a first Dutch point scorer in the WRC, Dennis Kuipers in 9th. He drove a solid rally first time out in the Fiesta. :up:

[ridder]

I see 3 clear winners here and 3 loosers.

Winners (in this order):

Loeb - comfortably first, though saturday morning probably made him a bit nervous, he responded well in the afternoon
P.Solberg - can't beat Loeb in his own factory car, but can beat anyone else.
Ogier - beating Sordo consistently for 3rd rally in the row, just behind the first two

Mexico top 3 actually seems to perfectly reflect the current standings in terms of gravel speed.

"Loosers"

Sordo - slower than 3 other Citroens for 3rd time in row, specially vs Ogier it's rather unexpected
Latvala - crash, but even without it he didn't seem fast
Hirvonen - suddenly there are 2 more between him and Loeb

[pino]

The usual ordinary job for Loeb :s nore: ;) another great performance by both Solberg and Ogier, and a great result for Kimi :up: Unfortunately I need more to get the excitment back :p :

[bluuford]

Is there any pictures of Pirelli Star Drivers cars, or what is left of them?
Tänak had very high speed off. No more comments yet. He is currently in hospital. He has back pain and eats painkillers. Luckily all bones seem to be ok. He hopes to get out form hospital tomorrow.
Car: http://www.postimees.ee/?g=1224&art=251589#45597

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_hirvonen__lehtinen_%28ford_focus_wrc%29_5d44cc 52cd.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_loeb__elena_%28citroen_c4_wrc%29_c15a084601.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_solberg__minor_%28ford_focus_wrc%29_54336677bc .jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_podium_c0ca664ce4.jpg

More photos from 3rd day and podium HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=686&fseason=2010) ;)

[andre93]

pics of Punto S2000 of Mehmet Besler??
Thank'you!

[muscrae]

I think the impact of the volcanic eruption is started to be seen in Turkey as well according a Turkish newspaper, and also Jarmo Lehtinen wrote in facebook that the biggest fight now is to go home... So, the drivers may stay longer in Turkey... :)

[muscrae]

pics of Punto S2000 of Mehmet Besler??
Thank'you!

Hi mate,
I also wrote yesterday in Turkish national forum (Rallivideo.com) that I will send you if I find some... But, as far as I'm concerned Mehmet Besler did not start today... But let's see if I find some from Serkan Yazıcı... :)

[bluuford]

Yeah, You cannot fly to Estonia or Finland right now:-)
I was just watching that Siim Plangi with Civic Type R did a good job as well. He finished 17th but would have been in much higher position. His car broke down during the road section to Istanbul SSS. So, he missed that SSS and got 10 minutes superally penalty. Without that he would have been 3rd 2WD cars. So, Honda actually almost survived rough Turkish stages. The other Honda had the same problem on first day and retired and went off next morning again, but finally reached to the finish :-)
So, I was afraid that Hondas are going to break down every day, but they didn't :-)

[Hartusvuori]

I think the impact of the volcanic eruption is started to be seen in Turkey as well according a Turkish newspaper, and also Jarmo Lehtinen wrote in facebook that the biggest fight now is to go home... So, the drivers may stay longer in Turkey... :)

Kimi Räikkönen is about to fly home with his private jet using smaller airports that aren't closed yet, writes MTV3.fi (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/04/1102471).

Hirvonen's plan is to jump on his team's bus, drop off at somewhere in Central Europe, find a used Ford and drive it to Finland. Where's camera crew for season review extras, if that happens ;-)

[andre93]

Hi mate,
I also wrote yesterday in Turkish national forum (Rallivideo.com) that I will send you if I find some... But, as far as I'm concerned Mehmet Besler did not start today... But let's see if I find some from Serkan Yazıcı... :)
Thank'you very much..Hello!!

[Carlo]

Exactly, my point being that it should at least be considered to have custom gear.

Requirements are that that it be located at approximately 5km intervals throughout the stages. Thats a lot of equipment to pay for and transport around the world

[JFL]

Kimi Räikkönen is about to fly home with his private jet using smaller airports that aren't closed yet, writes MTV3.fi (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/04/1102471).

That's weird.. On the news they said that the sky is closed.. not only airports...

[Barreis]

In Croatia all airports except Osijek are open from today afternoon..

[COD]

I see 3 clear winners here and 3 loosers.

Winners (in this order):


Hirvonen - suddenly there are 2 more between him and Loeb

His real pace...

Wilson is an idiot, not hiring a winning driver

[janvanvurpa]

he would be a lot poorer....

Money is not everything.
He would have had a lot more satisfaction and FUN!

Money comes and goes, but memories of hard work done well with grace and humor, that sustains you when you are old and inevitably, a "has been".

and as he has said himself, "this is far harder than anything I've done before".

[bluuford]

I was just watching video footage and must say that Solberg was extremely lucky to survive that impact with the tree. And even more lucky was Ogier who was waved to slow down quite some distance away but still crashed straight on Sordos stricken car.
http://www.motorstv.com/videos?v=FVLmrvjt5xA

[muscrae]

Hi mate,
I also wrote yesterday in Turkish national forum (Rallivideo.com) that I will send you if I find some... But, as far as I'm concerned Mehmet Besler did not start today... But let's see if I find some from Serkan Yazıcı... :)

http://www.rallyofturkey.org/images/galeri/buyuk/img731_172613.JPG

[Brother John]

Do you still want to pay travel expenses for holiday trips + pay of rallypasses to see almost nothing intresting on WRC as only 10 wrccars of which the most are C4 Citroën and a couple of Ford Focus?
Many F.I.A. rules which has nothing do no more with rally?
Rally organisations which no longer know how rally would have be?
Cansel of stages because it has rained?
Com on! :( Incredibly, what happened there in WRC. I can tell you i will no longer visit WRC rallys this year to see a few rallycars with only a French Citroën C4 cup!!! :s mokin:

[bluuford]

Tänak explained that there were communication problems between him and co-driver he didn't understand what the co-driver said and asked to repeat what he said. Co-driver thought that he was asking about previous corner and repeated the previous corner. Tänak thought that it was already next corner ahead. There was jump in front and he understood that there was straight after the jump but there was a corner and rock-face and they hit that rock-face. So, he hopes to get out of the hospital today and drive back home.

[bowler]

Tänak explained that there were communication problems between him and co-driver he didn't understand what the co-driver said and asked to repeat what he said. Co-driver thought that he was asking about previous corner and repeated the previous corner. Tänak thought that it was already next corner ahead. There was jump in front and he understood that there was straight after the jump but there was a corner and rock-face and they hit that rock-face. So, he hopes to get out of the hospital today and drive back home.

Are they both Estonian, with the same language?

His crash was a shame as he was going very well, and should have got a 9th place.

The car looks to be destroyed.

[bluuford]

Yes, they are both Estonians. Yes, you can imagine how sad he is right now. They were driving with safe pace and made the mistake while trying to correct their notes for future.

[Mintexmemory]

Do you still want to pay travel expenses for holiday trips + pay of rallypasses to see almost nothing intresting on WRC as only 10 wrccars of which the most are C4 Citroën and a couple of Ford Focus?
Many F.I.A. rules which has nothing do no more with rally?
Rally organisations which no longer know how rally would have be?
Cansel of stages because it has rained?
Com on! :( Incredibly, what happened there in WRC. I can tell you i will no longer visit WRC rallys this year to see a few rallycars with only a French Citroën C4 cup!!! :s mokin:

Central Europe will be interesting with much more 'local' participation I'm sure.
Deutschland and France look to be excellent events this year, and if the rally isn't so good at least there is the countryside and the wine.
Expect Wales Rally GB to be cut short because of rain :s mokin:
However seems like my prediction after Mexico is spot on. If Loeb finishes on the Podium, Petter will be behind him. If Petter finishes on the podium Seb O and Sord O will be behind him (it's in the contract)

[Wim_Impreza]

I am only "computer spectator" of Rally Turkey, but for me it is frustrating from the beginning. very boring event, as mostly usual in WRC...

I agree. I didn't followed it much, as I followed the Czech championship on Friday and Saturday which is much more interesting.

Very silly that they didn't drove two stages. WRC is a big shadow of the past.

For the second time in a row, the Belgian Rally Championship this coming weekend has more WRC's than the WRC...

[Hartusvuori]

Kimi Räikkönen is about to fly home with his private jet using smaller airports that aren't closed yet, writes MTV3.fi (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/04/1102471).

Hirvonen's plan is to jump on his team's bus, drop off at somewhere in Central Europe, find a used Ford and drive it to Finland. Where's camera crew for season review extras, if that happens ;-)

Latvala and Anttila reportedly traveled in M-Sport bus until Wien, dropped off and drive a car to Stockholm to catch a ferry to Finland. They'll be in Finland on Wednesday morning. It'll be nice tarmac practise for them ;)

[Rallyper]

Do you still want to pay travel expenses for holiday trips + pay of rallypasses to see almost nothing intresting on WRC as only 10 wrccars of which the most are C4 Citroën and a couple of Ford Focus?
Many F.I.A. rules which has nothing do no more with rally?
Rally organisations which no longer know how rally would have be?
Cansel of stages because it has rained?
Com on! :( Incredibly, what happened there in WRC. I can tell you i will no longer visit WRC rallys this year to see a few rallycars with only a French Citroën C4 cup!!! :s mokin:

Well, BJ you should visit NORF. Nothing of your discrease will happen there! ;)

[Tomi]

For the second time in a row, the Belgian Rally Championship this coming weekend has more WRC's than the WRC...

thats good news, but from where are you going to get people to drive those, or are the cars there for show?

[Alpha]

what alternatives are there in rallies that are an ocean away ? swimming ?

There's this thing called a boat...



Sordo will definately overtake solberg....

Were you drunk?
This year, Solberg has beaten Sordo by around 32 MINUTES(!!), and that's not counting the last one where Sordo retired, but including Sweden where Petters result was below par.

The way this is heading Sordo will soon find himself struggeling to beat Wilson...


Q&A with Loeb:

Petter Solberg is your closest rival in the drivers' championship now. How do you asses his performance in Turkey?
"I think he did really well. He was fast in most of the stages and very fast in others. He found a rhythm, and seemed to have understood really well how the car is working. He's starting to be dangerous."

And he says he has more to give...
"He says a lot of things! We will see."

[Wim_Impreza]

thats good news, but from where are you going to get people to drive those, or are the cars there for show?

No, not for a show. They are there for the real rally. It count for the Belgian and Dutch Rally Championship.

Look here for the entry list: http://www.automobileclubnamur.be/ (click on 'Concurrents' at the left side and click then on 'Liste provisoire des engages - National).

[N.O.T]

There's this thing called a boat...





the boat is a solution for cars and trucks...now for rally personel a 3 week boat journey i think its not recomended...whta do you think ??

as for solberg i was refering to the stage not overall but sordo crashed before completing...

[N.O.T]

No, not for a show. They are there for the real rally. It count for the Belgian and Dutch Rally Championship.

Look here for the entry list: http://www.automobileclubnamur.be/ (click on 'Concurrents' at the left side and click then on 'Liste provisoire des engages - National).

tomi was sarcastic and implied that a wrc car doesn;t mean anything without a capable driver...so better to have 4 wrcs with drivers that can drive than 14 with amateurs...

well to be honest when it comes to local village people events i myself focus more on the cars than the drivers....because the level is usually very bad with 1-2 exeptions maximum....

but out of a village event with 20 wrc cars and a wrc event with 8 wrc cars i would prefer to see the WRC one. a pass of a true rally driver counts as 100 of these amateurs.

[Alpha]

the boat is a solution for cars and trucks...now for rally personel a 3 week boat journey i think its not recomended...whta do you think ??

as for solberg i was refering to the stage not overall but sordo crashed before completing...


It only takes a day or two from Sydney to Auckland by boat, depending on how fast it is. If "**** hit the fan" the WRC could charter a freighter or cruise-ship to get all the cars and crews from Australia to New Zealand.
That beeing said, the volcano is far far away from NZ and Rally NZ goes ahead as planned.

[N.O.T]

hmmm....and how are the drivers suppose to go to OZ from europe ??

thats the question i guess not how to get from OZ to NZ....

Oz doesn;t even host a round this year....why would the teams be there.....?

[Alpha]

The point was that taking a boat to NZ is no problem, and noone has to swim...

Rally NZ will go ahead as planned, according to Rally NZ officials, but pre-event testing might be affected by airtravel problems. Most crews had to get alternative transport from Turkey. P. Solberg decided to drive his private car home, around 1500 kilometers. His private plane is stuck in France.

[serial jeff]

Very exciting rally, especially on the start of day 2. It's a shame about the punctures of Mikko and Petter... Mikko's was especially bad, the inside of that car was filthy. It's amazing he set a time as fast as he did, considering the driving conditions.

I'm surprised that impact with the tree put Dani out. It didn't look too bad, does anyone know what happened to the car?

[bluuford]

Looks like he hit the tree with the front right wheel that was turned to the left, therefore broke the suspension. When the wheel is turned, then it is more fragile..

[N.O.T]

The point was that taking a boat to NZ is no problem, and noone has to swim...


Alpha are you stupid ???

taking the boat from OZ to NZ is ok.... taking the freaking boat from europe to NZ is the problem since most drivers are located in europe right now....

[Alpha]

Guess you're the idiot for suggesting they swim. Flying from Europe to NZ is no problem, not all of Europe is shut down, all the time. According to crash.net the freighter aircraft leaves in 8 days, as scheduled.

[N.O.T]

Please don;t make comments without having a clear picture....my comment was about teams finding another way to transport to other continents and not be dependent on just flying (i wasn;t refering to the current ash problem)...please read the whole story before opening your mouth. you did the same thing with me saying sordo will pass solberg i was refering to the stage/overall classification yet you considered i was refering to the championship....

use your brain please and see the whole conversations before commenting.

[serial jeff]

Looks like he hit the tree with the front right wheel that was turned to the left, therefore broke the suspension. When the wheel is turned, then it is more fragile..

Ah, thanks- that explains it. I had been thinking he hit the tree with the rear right wheel.

[Alpha]

Please don;t make comments without having a clear picture....my comment was about teams finding another way to transport to other continents and not be dependent on just flying (i wasn;t refering to the current ash problem)...please read the whole story before opening your mouth. you did the same thing with me saying sordo will pass solberg i was refering to the stage/overall classification yet you considered i was refering to the championship....

use your brain please and see the whole conversations before commenting.

Yeah, and I'm telling you there are better ways than swimming. There are three weeks between Turkey and NZ, no need to swim. Stupid comments breed stupid comments.

With regards to Sordo/Solberg, I don't judge them by the last split / day / rally. And no doubt, Solberg is a much better driver and wont "definitely overtake Sordo" unless Petter makes a mistake. That is especially true for the first part of 2010 when Sordo has been off his pace. So suggesting Sordo would overtake Petter? Don't think so.

[N.O.T]

you obviously have some issues understanding some basic things....ok.

[Alpha]

Coming from you, that's ok ;)

[Carlo]

Hi you guys. I'm not very familiar with this forum process.
I am from New Zealand and want to watch Rally Turkey where my grandson will be racing.
I have a problem in that I am travelling solo and not sure how I will be able to get out to vantage points.
Is there someone who might be able to help me with the right contacts. I would like to try and organsie something before I leave New Zealand but I don't know the right way of finding a contact.
Hoping someone can help. Esther.

Back to post 1.

Well Esther I trust you are enjoying your vacation in Europe and that you derived as much pleasure as we back in NZ did when your Grandson took out the honours as 1st PSD competitor.

[rbatista82]

Spectacular photos from Rally Turkey:
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=154

More to come today, and also from Citroen testing in Portugal

[Red bull]

Do you still want to pay travel expenses for holiday trips + pay of rallypasses to see almost nothing intresting on WRC as only 10 wrccars of which the most are C4 Citroën and a couple of Ford Focus?
Many F.I.A. rules which has nothing do no more with rally?
Rally organisations which no longer know how rally would have be?
Cansel of stages because it has rained?
Com on! :( Incredibly, what happened there in WRC. I can tell you i will no longer visit WRC rallys this year to see a few rallycars with only a French Citroën C4 cup!!! :s mokin:
LOEB SHOULD DO US A FAVOUR AND RETIRE TO SAVE THE WRC,its like watching the same movie several times and know how its going to end :dozey:

[Alpha]

He's not very entertaining to watch, I'll give you that, but retire? Nooo. If he retires now he'll be the legend noone could beat. I hope someone else wins this year because he hasn't been faced with very much competition the last few years. I think we'll gonna see some surprises later this year...

[Mirek]

Loeb is not entertaining to watch? Sorry, I can't agree.

[Rallyper]

He's not very entertaining to watch, I'll give you that, but retire? Nooo. If he retires now he'll be the legend noone could beat. I hope someone else wins this year because he hasn't been faced with very much competition the last few years. I think we'll gonna see some surprises later this year...

And those surprises will be....? :confused:

[Alpha]

]Loeb is not entertaining to watch? Sorry, I can't agree.

He comes, he wins, he says "Yeah, for sure, I am happiii..." without even a slightest hint at a smile. Booooriiiing!



And those surprises will be....? :confused:

Look what happened last year, Loeb was even more dominant at the start of the '09 season but still only one by one point in the end. And this year it's even closer at the top.

[Tomi]

He comes, he wins, he says "Yeah, for sure, I am happiii..." without even a slightest hint at a smile. Booooriiiing!

Im not sure if you have noticed, but Mirek is a rally fan, so he propably talks about how Loeb is on the stage.

[Alpha]

They all mostly look the same in the stage, except for minute details like jumping 0,5 meter longer or getting a bit wide in a corner...

[cercle]

More pictures online of this great rally of Turkey!

www.barresjok.be (http://www.barresjok.be)

[Red bull]

let us hope some one else tries to win the next rally and give us hope as i dont see anyone beating loeb this season.

[cosmicpanda]

They all mostly look the same in the stage, except for minute details like jumping 0,5 meter longer or getting a bit wide in a corner...

Are you kidding?

[Red bull]

More pictures online of this great rally of Turkey!

www.barresjok.be (http://www.barresjok.be)
great pictures of various wrc cars,worth watching than the 2 cars of the WRC citroen and ford :D

[N.O.T]

so you prefer watching 20 wrc cars with drivers who have no clue what to do with them than 4 cars driven by the best in the world, you should come live in greece we have many people like you here....ok.

[cercle]

I have really enjoyed my trip to Turkey !

Indead there weren't many different WRC cars, but it's not the quantity that counts it the quality. For me personally I prefer the WRC more than the IRC.

I will go also to Germany and France to see the WRC

[Barreis]

WRC is still WRC..