Rally in Turkey April 2010

[Hipo1990]

http://2010turd1.rallybel.be/#490 day 1 photos

[eloyf1]

Saliuk's jump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyZdMsBCpTE

[Langdale Forest]

I think you can see that flying saucers front end bending upwards at the landing. It´s amazing the car´s still in the race... :eek:

I think it´s a wreck after this rally anyway.

Could there be more serious damage to that car?



Anyway, not long untill the stage starts?

[Hartusvuori]

im keeping my fingers crossed for Tänak and so far he has been fastest non-wrc - including our ukrainian flyboy. so at least one junior will (hopefully) not be on that breakfast table ;)

I believe speed-wise Tänak has no worries. I was referring to 2WDs just near him, and perhaps Kuipers could feel some pressure as well.

[muscrae]

Hello folks... :)

[PLuto]

Hello

[jonkka]

G morning

[jonkka]

Interesting split times

[Hartusvuori]

Interesting split times

Also interesting to see how the develop at the end of the stage with gravel.

[Hartusvuori]

Massive NO! JML rolled
Both ok.

[muscrae]

JML stopped - rolled..

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys. Not so good news for JML tough. :(

[miksu]

How about Petter?!?

[Finni2]

Is there raining or why road-position has reverse effect?

[Hartusvuori]

Petter lost his tracker signal?

[White Sauron]

Again the same story...

[Hartusvuori]

Is there raining or why road-position has reverse effect?

This was mostly tarmac.

[Finni2]

Does anybody here know where are the asphalt patches?

[Hartusvuori]

Again the same story...

Early vulture gets the worm...

[muscrae]

Petter !! :)

[Finni2]

This was mostly tarmac.

whats your source?

[Hartusvuori]

Does anybody here know where are the asphalt patches?

First 14 kms on this stage and last 6 kms on the third stage of the loop.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7517&desc=Rally+of+Turkey+stage+guides+-+Saturday++

[miksu]

Kimi beating wilson and villagra.

[Viking]

Petter beats Citroens tyre tactics, so far anyway :)

[Finni2]

First 14 kms on this stage and last 6 kms on the third stage of the loop.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7517&desc=Rally+of+Turkey+stage+guides+-+Saturday++

thanks :)

[Viking]

Just when I started to believe in JML again, he pulls a "Latvala moment"...

[Langdale Forest]

Has he crashed?

[wwbroe]

Seems like JML is still on the move, loosing more then 8 min tough. :(

[Hartusvuori]

Just when I started to believe in JML again, he pulls a "Latvala moment"...

Let's just hope this will be his "statistical moment" for this season. He couldn't handle another season like 2009.

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ken Block is the fastest of the "rest". :p

[wwbroe]

Neuville is beating Burkart in the splits, being almost 6 sec faster then the man in the Suzuki. :) Will be nice fight for victory in JWRC.

[wwbroe]

Damn, i was too fast in posting this, apparently Thierry is stopped in stage. :(

[Tom206wrc]

Ouch Latvala :s

[muscrae]

What a shame for Neuville, after a good performance... :(

[Krigen]

Aahhhh.. Wilson suck`s

[Doug Woods]

Block 6th on the stage. It is 3:30am here in Canada. Next stage is starting. I may not get back to bed for a while.

[Viking]

Funny, when every driver was in a hurry on the radio, Latvala (9min late) used something like 2 minutes to explain the crash, whitch to me sounded as a typical "to fast in" :D

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen setting good time on stage two of today, beating Ogier and Sordo by about seven seconds. :)

[nr7wave]

Looks like Petter and Miko has done the right choice when it comes to tires.

[jonkka]

Splits froze...

[wwbroe]

Does somebody know the reason for the retirement of Neuville? :(

[muscrae]

After the disappointment in the very fisrt stage yesterday, Yağız Avcı is on the good mood today, he was even faster than Wilslow in the opening splits.. He was the best of the rest (excluding WRCs obviously), making 11th time overall... :)

[Doug Woods]

No splits for Block but he finished 8th on Stage 11.

[N.O.T]

Block surpises once more....pity for his age and the time he choose to be involved with the sport....

[Doug Woods]

Block surpises once more....pity for his age and the time he choose to be involved with the sport....

True. But he has been very successful at whatever he has done in his life.

Nevertheless, not a bad showing for someone who decided to start rallying in his late thirties.

[nr7wave]

Block surpises once more....pity for his age and the time he choose to be involved with the sport....

I agree. And he seems to be a very likable person, aswell. In contrast to certain other "driving stars"...

[N.O.T]

Latvala once more seems to lose it....i wonder what his manager thinks of him now and how deep must he put his hand in the pocket.

The battle of the ashtray is very exciting as well....Raikonen seems to have the upper hand but wilsons time was good on stage 11 so even without the mistake raikonen would hardly beat him...12 seconds between the 3....funny battle.

[snellman]

can citroen give petter team orders?

[N.O.T]

still too early for that....all the drivers are driving with splits in mind so far and will continue through the day.....but yes they can give team orders to him no matter what everyone thinks.

[nr7wave]

still too early for that....all the drivers are driving with splits in mind so far and will continue through the day.....but yes they can give team orders to him no matter what everyone thinks.

What do you base that on?

[N.O.T]

What do you base that on?

about the team orders sure they will not just tell him to slow down but my guess is that they might lure him with something to give his place to Loeb....for example they did that shameful thing to ogier but they gave him NZ instead.

I doubt Loeb needs team orders to pass solberg though....

all of the drivers are using tactics right now....so if you exclude latvala who obviously has some issues inside his head and crashes in walking pace all the drivers are waiting for tommorow.

[N.O.T]

i don;t know which farce is worst.... drivers stopping before the end or driving slow all day.....

[Hartusvuori]

Stages changed since recce? WTF?

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Burak Cukurova yesterday ??? He was doing good times but ritired on penultimate stage and is doing good time today under superrally too :confused:

[N.O.T]

why you say that ?

[N.O.T]

nobody wants to beat Ogier :D :D :D :D :D

[tolis]

Go Ogier!!!!!

[N.O.T]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "I am angry to organisers, stage is different from recce."

OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. "Lot of stones on the road, surface is different from recce."

from rally.cz

[muscrae]

What happened to Burak Cukurova yesterday ??? He was doing good times but ritired on penultimate stage and is doing good time today under superrally too :confused:

He was doing good indeed, but he had a problem with oil pump, and had to retire from the day...

[N.O.T]

cucurova is beautiful and slow....barrat was ugly and slow so we have an improvement by at least 50% in the women drivers department.

[wwbroe]

I think you are mixing with Burcu Certinkaya :D

Edit: you saw it yourself, that is why you took your post away NOT?

[N.O.T]

yes

[dimviii]

Also Loeb said that...

LOEB S. / ELENA D. (st. č. 1) "I am not happy with the stage, it is different from recce."

[tolis]

N.O.T.: You mean Cetinkaya!!!

[N.O.T]

4 mins until the longest stage of the rally starts

[Wim_Impreza]

Does somebody know the reason for the retirement of Neuville? :(

Broken transmission.

[muscrae]

4 mins until the longest stage of the rally starts
Not only longest but the most brutal stage as well... This stage has lots of rocks, fast and flowing characteristics... As most of the drivers said, this stage, with two passes, will be decisive in the standings...

[jonkka]

Wise driver won't push like hell - there's long tomorrow to consider as well...

[muscrae]

Seb and Petter are pushing hard in Riva, hope no dramas for them in this tricky stage...

[Doug Woods]

Not only longest but the most brutal stage as well... This stage has lots of rocks, fast and flowing characteristics... As most of the drivers said, this stage, with two passes, will be decisive in the standings...

Plus, tires must be an issue after running three stages.

[muscrae]

Plus, tires must be an issue after running three stages.

Definitely... Thankfully, after that harsh one, they have service...
And, obviously this is the stage where the road position for Ogier is a drawback...

[jonkka]

Kimi fastest on split 1? :eek:

[N.O.T]

latvala probably stopped...

[N.O.T]

walking pace rally....pathetic.

[jonkka]

...of over 100 kph average speeds? :eek:

[muscrae]

...of over 100 kph average speeds? :eek:

I love Riva... :)

[N.O.T]

smart move by sordo...

[wacked]

hey guys.. been a long time since ive been on here.. how you guys doing.. great rally weekend going on.. happy to see Petter winning the stage and moving upto second place.. bummer about latvala and henning.. kimi doing well this weekend aswell..

[jonkka]

smart move by sordo...

Day is not over yet.

[Tom206wrc]

Henning Solberg stopped too ??? :confused:

[nr7wave]

Anybody know how tomorrows stages is? Today it would seem that there is'nt much disadvantage in beeing first on the road. Perhaps it's even an advantage as the roads get even more abrasive during the day, with huge rocks etc.

[LadySnowcat]

Kimi fastest on split 1?

The first part of the stage is tarmac I believe.... and the guy is seriously fast...

[ShiftingGears]

Kimi is a fast learner, as anyone who saw his talent in F1 would have predicted. I am quite eager to see how he goes on tarmac events.

[LadySnowcat]

Kimi is a fast learner, as anyone who saw his talent in F1 would have predicted. I am quite eager to see how he goes on tarmac events.

Ditto...

I am actually pretty amazed by how quickly he is picking up the gravel seeing as he hasn't done this stuff to any extent... he hasn't even done as much practice as the other guys....

Which is the first tarmac event?...

[Mauri A]

Ditto...

I am actually pretty amazed by how quickly he is picking up the gravel seeing as he hasn't done this stuff to any extent... he hasn't even done as much practice as the other guys....

Which is the first tarmac event?...
I´ve seen him many times driving on gravel with his F1 car!!!

[fmcv]

News about Kimmi's speed were not confirmed...

[N.O.T]

having a fight with the ice cream guy is big news aparently... Villagra was 0.3 slower than him on split 1.....i am waiting in agony to see him drive on tarmac as well...

[LadySnowcat]

I´ve seen him many times driving on gravel with his F1 car!!!

That would usually be sans engine or wheels....

[Mauri A]

News about Kimmi's speed were not confirmed...
???

[LadySnowcat]

having a fight with the ice cream guy is big news aparently... Villagra was 0.3 slower than him on split 1.....i am waiting in agony to see him drive on tarmac as well...

Now that is a worry...

I hate to think of anyone in agony... apart from the man from Santander of course.... oh and Stephano Dominicali....

[N.O.T]

Now that is a worry...

I hate to think of anyone in agony... apart from the man from Santander of course.... oh and Stephano Dominicali....

whoi are these two ?? ...they have nice names.... please inform me.

[LadySnowcat]

whoi are these two ?? ...they have nice names.... please inform me.

Always happy to educate...

Stephano is team principal for Ferrari and Santander are the bank that bought the team....

Not that I'm biased....

[pettersolberg29]

I'm amazed by Ogier's pace - if he wasn't bossed around tactically then he'd be a title challenger still. Really, really impresive for such an inexperienced driver.

It's also now very hard to still understand the theory that Petter is past it. He's won the most stages and sits in a great 2nd place. He beat Loeb on Riva despite Loeb going 100% and having a better road position than Petter. In fact Sordo is also very good for keeping up with Seb and Mikko.

Last year there were very few rallies where anyone got close to Mikko and Seb. This year it looks like every event will be seriously challenged by 6 drivers.

[Rallyper]

First I hope Citroen will not play with Petter. That would be a shame! You can´t buy Petter unless you threat him having Xsara engine next rally... :D

Second I think Malcolm have to do something. JML is contracted and will perform well further on, and he can´t be sacked just like that.

But the team needs a driver like PG to boost up the strenght in MWRC. Maybe replacing Wilslow? At least PG would be given a Focus 09 and show who´s one of the fastest in the WRC!! :cool:

[muscrae]

For Petter, I believe they won't...

[fmcv]

???
well people were saying he was faster on the splits. But his time on the final of the stage was about the usual stuff...

[snellman]

well people were saying he was faster on the splits. But his time on the final of the stage was about the usual stuff...
first split, tarmac. when does next start?

[wacked]

I'm happy to see Petter up there and he can keep that position or try catching Mikko.. yeah.. the car should hold up with him..

[LadySnowcat]

well people were saying he was faster on the splits. But his time on the final of the stage was about the usual stuff...

He was actually the fastest of anyone, except for Henning, on the first split which even I didn't expect... and either faster or less than a second slower than all but Petter by the end of the second stage....

He also had to get past Jari Matti later on so that slowed him down a bit....

[Viking]

stage 14 live...

and seems to be slower this run.

[muscrae]

Seb is flying...

[wacked]

Loeb seems to be fastest on second split.. Latvala should be better after service..

[Hartusvuori]

Seb is flying...

Definitely on an attack mode.

[Tom206wrc]

SS14 running ;)

[muscrae]

It seems that Loeb will pass both Mikko and Petter..

[White Sauron]

Why's Hirvonen so slow 3rd rally in a row? Any obvious reasons? Citroen now seems to have an uper hand over the both Fords...

[Rallyper]

Loeb is just playing around and have now decided to go for the win. Not fun at all... :(

[wacked]

Loeb fastest on stage and now in second place.. and Sordo ahead of Mikko..

[jonkka]

Loeb's first stage win...

[Tom206wrc]

It's a Citroën 1-2-3-4 this SS14 :p :

[blissard]

Loeb's first stage win...

Loeb won SS9 (SSS, but still a win).

[Hartusvuori]

Something you could've expect from Loeb, but that the attack started only this late is perhaps bit surprising. Of course difference were - and still are - very small, so no need for Loeb to break sweat. Ogier will most likely keep the lead overnight, giving the red carpet for Loeb tomorrow.

Even if Mikko have stayed close to the lead this far he hasn't shown anything spectacular in this rally so far. He's kind of invisible. At the start of the season he proved to handle the pressure and drive with determination, but ever since he has stayed in the shadows. Shame that JML had his mistake - which we still can hope will remain his only mistake for this (half of the) season. He could've challenged Citroens, I believe. Now it's not only Loeb or Sordo that have a stranglehold on Fords, it's Ogier and Solberg too.

[jonkka]

Loeb won SS9 (SSS, but still a win).

Yeh, my bad... :(

[Rallyper]

PG in a Ford!! At once! :D

[muscrae]

What happened to Abbring?

[Viking]

Loeb is just playing around and have now decided to go for the win. Not fun at all... :(

Not so sure, seems like Loeb has to take some more risk than he likes and Petter was faster at the gravel end of the stage.

Or maybe I am just a "glass half full" kind of guy :)

[JRodrigues]

Ogier stopped! :(

[Rallyper]

Ogier stopped! :O
Was he forced to do that? :confused:

[muscrae]

Was he forced to do that? :confused:

Come on, I don't think so...

[muscrae]

Ogier lost 3 mins :(

[pettersolberg29]

Surely a puncture?

[pettersolberg29]

Mikko pushing very hard. May win the stage.

[Viking]

so... Loeb lose his wingman..

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier on SS15 ???? :eek: :confused:

[JRodrigues]

Now we'll see Loeb slow down..

[Rallyper]

Come on, I don't think so...
Yeah, yeah - I was fast with my comment there. Looks like a puncture as said above. ;)

[Rallyper]

Now we'll see Loeb slow down..
His selfconfidence wouldn´t let him. He manage this anyway. But if he does that would be a great shame after all that happended in the previous rallies. :mad:

[jonkka]

If anyone, it's Loeb who can win from the front. And it seems that cleaning effect isn't such a significant factor in Turkey's new route. So perhaps Seb won't slow down but if so, how come he's not further ahead?

[pettersolberg29]

Loeb may get a lead of 20s or more by the end of the next two stages. He won't slow down. He took about 9s out of Petter in 31km. He has another 41km to take 14s. Easily do-able.

[JRodrigues]

What's happening with Wilson on this stage? :eek:

[Viking]

Yeah, yeah - I was fast with my comment there. Looks like a puncture as said above. ;)

but why stop only a km from the end of the stage??

[nr7wave]

but why stop only a km from the end of the stage??
Because the tire exploded and he went off the road

[blissard]

SS16 is on.

[LadySnowcat]

but why stop only a km from the end of the stage??

Impossible to continue... apparently the tyre exploded...

[muscrae]

"The organisers of the Rally of Turkey have rejected a plea from the teams to cancel the second running of the Riva test this afternoon."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82986

[jonkka]

"The organisers of the Rally of Turkey have rejected a plea from the teams to cancel the second running of the Riva test this afternoon."

Uh oh, what do they know what we don't? The request would not have been made without good reason.

[muscrae]

Mikko has his problems out there... Obviously, Riva 2 (SS 17) will be even more brutal...

[Hartusvuori]

Mikko has his problems out there...

I don't have WRR at the moment. What happened? 4+ seconds ain't that much though.

[muscrae]

He stated that he had an off in the stage, and the conditions are tough, high speed turns and so on... He had an off but luckly did not lose much time...

[pettersolberg29]

Odd how both Mikko and Petter lost about 5s in the last split. Maybe tactial by Petter so that Loeb isn't encouraged into losing time on the next stage.

[RICARDO75]

What happened with Henning?

[muscrae]

So the notorious Riva stage is live...

[Mauri A]

Uh oh, what do they know what we don't? The request would not have been made without good reason.
Odd, can´t remember such thing happening in last 50 years!
Simo Lampinen, who has been there for many years as Rally Manager could explain, because he´s now there.

[jonkka]

Odd, can´t remember such thing happening in last 50 years!
Simo Lampinen, who has been there for many years as Rally Manager could explain, because he´s now there.

Maybe we'll hear from him later today...

[muscrae]

Loeb is still attacking, so is Hirvonen and Solberg...

[dimviii]

why Ogier looses so much? :confused:

[jonkka]

why Ogier looses so much? :confused:

He has no reason to take any risks...

[jonkka]

Seb is missing a split...

[blissard]

Loeb missing a split?

[N.O.T]

being first on the road and the others are out of walking pace and started to rally....you thought his morning time were because he was fast ??

[muscrae]

why Ogier looses so much? :confused:

Actually it doesn't matter, he will finish 5th overall unless sth strange happens. The gap between him and those in front is so big...

[Viking]

Loeb should turn of his splits....now

[muscrae]

Seb is there...

[dimviii]

He has no reason to take any risks...

to much loosing for this reason.Maybe a problem seems to me. :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

hmmm not very smart by solberg..... he lost any chance of winning.

[jonkka]

hmmm not very smart by solberg..... he lost any chance of winning.

Did he have any to begin with?

[muscrae]

So no tactics as I expected...

[N.O.T]

Loeb will have hard work ahead of him tommorow...

[N.O.T]

Did he have any to begin with?

i think he did if he had a good starting position.

[blissard]

Yeah Petter should have slipped behind Mikko..

[White Sauron]

Ah, whatever... Neither Petter nor Mikko don't have any chances...

[Finni2]

being first on the road and the others are out of walking pace and started to rally....you thought his morning time were because he was fast ??

Loeb is now taking the lead so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have been pushing all the day in order to get this lead as large as possible?

[jonkka]

Loeb is now taking the lead so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have been pushing all the day in order to get this lead as large as possible?

That puzzles me as well, maybe they were undecided about the matter in the morning and when they saw that running first isn't that big handicap, decided to go for the lead.

[Mauri A]

Ah, whatever... Neither Petter nor Mikko don't have any chances...
"it´s a long way to Tipperary, it´s a long way to go"

[Tom206wrc]

So end of leg two: fantastic day overall for Citroën, but Ford still have hope with Hirvonen in good position for tomorrow ;)

[Hipo1990]

http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/1/grid?q=rally+turkey+2010 day 2 photos

[PLuto]

Some photos from start and day 1 (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=10276)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/7d17721912117699214a28534f534a48.jpg

[N.O.T]

Wilson should really consider to get out of the sport....if he cannot win against an icecream trucker and a tourist there is not much hope left in him.

[playmo]

+1
and the most frustrating thing is that drivers and cars are competitive, but not close enough to beat the citroens.
He should really consider quiting this category...

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_latvala__antilla_%28ford_focus_wrc%29_f52b55e3 ad.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_loeb__elena_%28citroen_c4_wrc%29_95e99634f9.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_solberg__mils_%28citroen_c4_wrc%29_014203df71. jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/686/686_rally_girl_294c3e5add.jpg

More photos from 2nd leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=686&fseason=2010) ;)

[Finni2]

That puzzles me as well, maybe they were undecided about the matter in the morning and when they saw that running first isn't that big handicap, decided to go for the lead.

I hardly remember any example of Loeb backing off at saturday without trying to produce comfortable lead if there has been a chance. I don't see any reason why his initial approach for saturday would have been any different this time. It was just less-excellent first run for the reasons we don't know.

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_80440410abb8cf30c353c5d9a638867e.jpg

:D :D

[N.O.T]

naughty french boy.....

[Langdale Forest]

Wilson should really consider to get out of the sport....if he cannot win against an icecream trucker and a tourist there is not much hope left in him.

Absolutley true!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[N.O.T]

who pays the bills for wilslow to rally ? i doubt this amateur has any sponsors and if daddy wilson pays for a full program its really a waste of resources for the M-sport team which could be used in further development of the car and more testing....i wonder what the official ford factory thinks about this...

I doubt they prefer to have someone trying to learn the basics of driving...let alone rallying, than to try and have a car to beat Loeb and the citroens.

[Langdale Forest]

....i wonder what the official ford factory thinks about this...


The owner of Ford probably thinks that Matthew Wilson is a discrace, and that is almost a fact.

BTW he is wasting a works drive, and that IS a fact.

[Hartusvuori]

On wrc.com's stage guide for Sunday (http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7553&desc=Rally+of+Turkey+stage+guides+-+Sunday) it could be interpreted that much of tomorrow's stages are fast, flowing and flat out. This will make it harder for Mikko to cut seconds from Seb, if Seb's road position would be seen as disadvantage for him. It's still nice that there is decent amount of kilometres left for the last day, this ain't over yet, I hope.

How's weather? Is it raining or will it rain?

[Ghostwalker]

On wrc.com's stage guide for Sunday (http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7553&desc=Rally+of+Turkey+stage+guides+-+Sunday) it could be interpreted that much of tomorrow's stages are fast, flowing and flat out. This will make it harder for Mikko to cut seconds from Seb, if Seb's road position would be seen as disadvantage for him. It's still nice that there is decent amount of kilometres left for the last day, this ain't over yet, I hope.

How's weather? Is it raining or will it rain?

BBC weather says light showers during the night but partially sunny/cloudy weather (Sunny intervals) tomorrow:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/74


weather.com says rain:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/TUXX0014

accuweather.com also says rain:
http://www.accuweather.com/world-index- ... ANBUL|&u=1 (http://www.accuweather.com/world-index-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&locCode=MEA|TR|TU040|ISTANBUL|&u=1)

[Hipo1990]

http://2010turdd2.rallybel.be/#491.0 and day 2 photos

[Ghostwalker]

who pays the bills for wilslow to rally ? i doubt this amateur has any sponsors and if daddy wilson pays for a full program its really a waste of resources for the M-sport team which could be used in further development of the car and more testing....i wonder what the official ford factory thinks about this...

I doubt they prefer to have someone trying to learn the basics of driving...let alone rallying, than to try and have a car to beat Loeb and the citroens.

imagine what a driver like PG Andersson could achieve if he could take Wilson place/car compared to Wilsons performances

[Carlo]

How Hayden Paddons off occured:

Then, 8km into the stage, we had a flat right hand corner over a crest marked followed by a very long straight. We went over the crest flat in 5th gear, at around 150kmph, and as soon as we did I saw a large dirt wall in front of us, for a man made chicane that had been put in place after recce. There was no way I was going to pull the car up, so we slammed into it sideways, beaching the car on the dirt wall. I tried everything in my power to dig the car out, as the damage was only light panel damage, but to no avail. Speaking to other drivers, there were many who also did not have the chicane noted, but we were the unlucky first to get completely caught out by it and then maybe saved some others by slowing them down, as it is very difficult to slow a car down from 150kmph on a downhill 50 metre stretch of road!
When we recced the stage on Wednesday there was no dirt chicane on the road, and nothing marked there, just a long straight piece of road which we had noted. Unfortunately the organisers had being playing with chicanes prior to recce, issuing bulletins putting some in, taking them out and changing their positions, only some of which was marked on the stage. This one we had missed, and with no markings for it on the road, it was not in our pace notes. Very frustrating, but it is all a learning experience and this event is all about setting some stage times and getting some seat time, which we can still do over the final 2 days.

Could be a good all season long battle between Tanak and Paddon they both appear to be stars of the future

[N.O.T]

The worrying thing about wilson is that he is persistent...most useless drivers like warmbold barrat rautenbach raikonnen companq ects come to the sport for 1-2 years then they give up....

Wilson is like a persistent annoying fly.... I become to suspect there is something else behind his involvement to the sport.

[N.O.T]

Could be a good all season long battle between Tanak and Paddon they both appear to be stars of the future

no they are not

[Francis44]

Interesting to see what Hirvonen will do tomorrow, he need maximum points for the championship but if he goes off Ford will have it rough to the Manufacter Championship.

Regarding Mathew, well his father is President of M-Sport and I dont blame him for beeing all over rally, Im sure that if others were in his position they would do the same. Perhaps a campaign this year with Fiesta S2000 in IRC would be a better choice for him, he could even challenge for wins and evolve himself as a driver.

[N.O.T]

Regarding Mathew, well his father is President of M-Sport and I dont blame him for beeing all over rally, Im sure that if others were in his position they would do the same. Perhaps a campaign this year with Fiesta S2000 in IRC would be a better choice for him, he could even challenge for wins and evolve himself as a driver.

no most people have dignity...mathew seems not to have any after all these years of no progress

As for the IRC i think he would be even worse for him since the level is of course lower but certainly there are far more drivers that can ridicule him there since there are at least 20 cars in each entry that are on the same level while on wrc you only have 10 maximum so a good place is guaranteed.

[janvanvurpa]

no most people have dignity...mathew seems not to have any after all these years of no progress

As for the IRC i think he would be even worse for him since the level is of course lower but certainly there are far more drivers that can ridicule him there since there are at least 20 cars in each entry that are on the same level while on wrc you only have 10 maximum so a good place is guaranteed.


What do you know?
A post from NOT that is sensible, reasonable, and that I agree with.
I think I am going to faint!

I might substitute the word "shame' for dignity but essentially same idea.
Only thing that is proved is that virtually anybody with average driving ability can go about as fast as he does given similar level of car.
It shows just how central the car is to the results.
Contrast Wilson with Kimi-baby with how many rallies total? 5? 6?
And contrast Kimi STARTING at 30 years old as opposed to Wilson groomed for years at extremely early age....

It stinks of what we call in USA "Little League Dad" syndrome where fathers who never played when they were young push their children to devote all their time to playing baseball and the dads act like idiots.

[jonas_mcrae]

The owner of Ford probably thinks that Matthew Wilson is a discrace, and that is almost a fact.

BTW he is wasting a works drive, and that IS a fact.

the owner of Ford? hahaha are you kidding me? ford has no owner per se, it is a publicly held company, and thus any shareholder is partly the owner of ford. As a Ford shareholder I am technically one of ford's owners... and although my shares are doing quite well I dont agree with Matthew Wilson driving one of MY works cars hahaha

However I dont own enough shares to kick him out of the team... maybe if we all buy enough shares of Ford we can get him out!!!

I think the people least happy with him are Stobart owners.. they used to have quite decent drivers, now its quite bad

[sollitt]

Here's a thing. The uninformed, unintelligent minority have been bagging young Wilson on here for years.
Perhaps if they can't raise their performance with some more intelligent, more relevant and more interesting comments they should retire from the forum and take up some other pastime more suited to their talents.

[jonkka]

As a Ford shareholder I am

:eek:

[jonkka]

Stage should be on, right?

[PLuto]

Stage canceled

[Bigdiggerman]

First stage day three cancelled! Why?

[PLuto]

It is written in results... (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=16)

[jonkka]

Grr...

[PLuto]

They decided to cancel stage after heavy rain during night.

[Langdale Forest]

Wilson is like a persistent annoying fly....

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:



I wonder how many years untill Wilson walks away from the WRC. :rolleyes:

Or that Malcolm kicks him out of the team for being so slow. :rolleyes:

[Viking]

rain over night made the stage wery muddy, must have been bad if they could not run it!

[Langdale Forest]

They decided to cancel stage after heavy rain during night.

Will the second run through Deniz be cancelled?

[Langdale Forest]

rain over night made the stage wery muddy, must have been bad if they could not run it!

Sliding around in the mud is what rally is all about! :D

[Langdale Forest]

The stage has to be cancelled because they do not have 4x4 rescue vehcles/ambulances.

[HaCo]

First stage day three cancelled! Why?

Team Orders from Citroen :p

[awake27]

Will the second run through Deniz be cancelled?
Probably not, it should dry up until 13:00. But even so it may be cancelled again because of road damage.

[miksu]

Will the second run through Deniz be cancelled?

yeah, i guess

[Langdale Forest]

yeah, i guess

That's a shame. :(

[Viking]

weather is playing into Loeb`s hands, better to be first on the road now.

[White Sauron]

weather is playing into Loeb`s hands, better to be first on the road now.

Haven't you got used to it?
Loeb's always having everything playing into his hands: better road position, less mileage to be caught, etc... Lucky bas...d

[awake27]

SS 19 also cancelled!

[PLuto]

SS 19 canceled too

[Langdale Forest]

still too early for that....all the drivers are driving with splits in mind so far and will continue through the day.....but yes they can give team orders to him no matter what everyone thinks.

They better not give Solberg team orders! :mad:

[pettersolberg29]

Pathetic - I don't care how bad conditions are. These are rally cars, not F1 cars. What's it coming to when we cancel stages for being muddy!?

[miksu]

Haven't you got used to it?
Loeb's always having everything playing into his hands: better road position, less mileage to be caught, etc... Lucky bas...d

Yeah... he even got lucky when they were deciding who to give driving talent at birth.

[Langdale Forest]

They should get some decent 4x4 saftey vehcles with proper off road tyres, the organisers have some MASSIVE improvements to do for next year's rally.

[bowler]

canceled because access to safety vehicles not possible, not because of rally car access

[Langdale Forest]

Pathetic - I don't care how bad conditions are. These are rally cars, not F1 cars. What's it coming to when we cancel stages for being muddy!?


Healty & saftey (even in Turkey), is probably very stupid as well. :mad:

Let's hope Turkey is not a round next year.

[Langdale Forest]

canceled because access to safety vehicles not possible, not because of rally car access


If they had 4X4 rescue vehcles they could have run the stage!

[pettersolberg29]

canceled because access to safety vehicles not possible, not because of rally car access

That's even worse! Have they never heard of 4x4 vehicles?

[Langdale Forest]

This is what the organisers need..
http://www.roverunited.com/project/new1.jpg


Or is it that Turkish people really want Loeb to win so they cancell two stages to make the distance to the finish less?

[bretddog]

What the heck??? Is this a rally or what? This pisses me off.. Petter is the king of the mud... and Seb is a wuss in these conditions. Would have had a great chance to pull this off.

..oh.. Why don't we just cancel the whole day and hand out the prizes? After all, it's raining..

[Langdale Forest]

This pisses me off..



+1

[Langdale Forest]

..oh.. Why don't we just cancel the whole day and hand out the prizes? After all, it's raining..

But the rally might not have covered enough kilometers to give out full championship points.

[Mintexmemory]

canceled because access to safety vehicles not possible, not because of rally car access

Well that's what WRC wesite should say, instead the quote refers to 'conditions being unsuitable for rallying' :rolleyes:

Latest news - all Saturday stages for WRGB to have ashphalt on the forest track to ensure conditions are suitable for rallying ;)

[Viking]

Thats it then, 1/3 of todays stage km gone :( if they cant run them the second time we are down to only 38km!

[muscrae]

Healty & saftey (even in Turkey), is probably very stupid as well. :mad:

Let's hope Turkey is not a round next year.

I wonder what is your reaction in general when coming across with a small drawback. It seems your poor resistance disappears, even if you notice a problematic tiny little piece in the whole...


If they had 4X4 rescue vehcles they could have run the stage!

Yeah, you are (b)right mate! Unfortunately we have only 2 wheel cars here in Turkey, actually we don't know what 4X4 means...

Above all, the organisers have been working nearly for 6 months, and since last week, over 3.500 clerks are employed... They may know their profession. !


There is saying like; Think twice, Speak wise...

[Langdale Forest]

Yeah, you are (b)right mate! Unfortunately we have only 2 wheel cars here in Turkey, actually we don't know what 4X4 means...





Did you see that picture of the Land Rover I posted 10 miuets ago?, that's what 4x4 means! ;)

[muscrae]

Did you see that picture of the Land Rover I posted 10 miuets ago?, that's what 4x4 means! ;)

Yeah, I'm grateful to you, that'S the invention of the day for me, thanks!! :)

[Langdale Forest]

Yeah, I'm grateful to you, that'S the invention of the day for me, thanks!! :)

I guess fuel is very expensive in Turkey, that's why they don't have 4x4s?

[Mintexmemory]

Yeah, you are (b)right mate! Unfortunately we have only 2 wheel cars here in Turkey, actually we don't know what 4X4 means...

Above all, the organisers have been working nearly for 6 months, and since last week, over 3.500 clerks are employed... They may know their profession. !
:hmh:
There is saying like; Think twice, Speak wise...

You are joking, right? 4x4s unknown? Please tell me that's sarcasm. With such a large workforce deployed on the rally surely someone could have come up with an alternative strategy for rain affected stages other than cancellation. It just confirms the feeling of many who see Italy, Monte Carlo etc. not on the list for WRC while organisational excellence that couldn't get laid in a brothel rules ok

[Langdale Forest]

You are joking, right? 4x4s unknown? Please tell me that's sarcasm.

It does seem a bit strange that they don't have 4x4s in Turkey, prehaps muscrae was just trying to hide the fact on bad the organisers really are. :uhoh:

[bretddog]

It does seem a bit strange that they don't have 4x4s in Turkey, prehaps muscrae was just trying to hide the fact on bad the organisers really are. :uhoh:

wtf? Is this a chat forum for 12-year olds?? Can some of you go study this word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony) and also shut the f.. up?

[Langdale Forest]

wtf? Is this a chat forum for 12-year olds?? Can some of you go study this word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony) and also shut the f.. up?

hmm :mad:

[muscrae]

You are joking, right? 4x4s unknown?

Sure I'm joking mate, Langdale Forest is a small kid who sulks the situation in the very first drawback, I'm making joke to make this little kid enjoy... :D

[muscrae]

wtf? Is this a chat forum for 12-year olds?? Can some of you go study this word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony) and also shut the f.. up?

Sorry, no more...

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys, this looks like a silly discussion. Stages are cancelld and we have to live with it. It is strange tough that they cancel rallystages due to rain that has fallen during the night.
What about stage 20, will it be run like planned, it should start quite soon then? :)

[Viking]

wtf? Is this a chat forum for 12-year olds?? Can some of you go study this word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony) and also shut the f.. up?

That`s wrong, irony is like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron. ;)

[muscrae]

Peter Horsey - Moses Matovu / Pirelli Star Driver - Evo X

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4528784636_3f434b7847_o.jpg

[Langdale Forest]

It is always very sad to see an expensive rally car like that go up in smoke. :bigcry:
What caused the fire?

[muscrae]

So, SS 20 Ballıca is about the start...

[Langdale Forest]

That's good news.

[PLuto]

SS 20 is going

[6789]

So they're only running 4 stages today? Can't belive the luck for Petter

[jonkka]

But the rally might not have covered enough kilometers to give out full championship points.

That rule was repealed in 2009, now full points are awarded always.

[jonkka]

Mikko!!! Split 2 :eek:

[muscrae]

Mikko losing a lot...

[Langdale Forest]

Will SS21 and SS22 be run this afternoon?

[Langdale Forest]

Mikko lost 13.8 seconds!

[muscrae]

Mikko damaged his car...

[Langdale Forest]

That is not good for Mikko's championship hopes.

[6789]

Petter .3 slower then Loeb :(

[White Sauron]

That is not good for Mikko's championship hopes.

They were over even before the season started...

[6789]

That is not good for Mikko's championship hopes.
Mikko has no hope really with all of the termac ralliues in the later part of the season..