WRC Testing [Archive] - Page 8

garais22

10th May 2012, 18:35

Mads Ostberg first time test N4 ''MML Mitsubishi Evo X'' (Photo (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs/395-wrc-pilots-mads-ostbergs-teste-n4-rallija-masinu/))
After that he attend press conference and take a win in go-karts - Photo (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs/396-rally-talsi-2012-preses-konference/)

garais22

10th May 2012, 22:07

And here is video where Mads Ostberg before ''Rally Talsi 2012'' for the first time testing N4 car - VIDEO (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/video/rallijs/397-mads-ostbergs-pirms-talsu-rallija-aizvada-testus-ar-mitsubishi-evo-x/)

Kielder

10th May 2012, 22:57

@PontusTidemand (http://twitter.com/#%21/PontusTidemand) Got an opportunity to test a Ford Fiesta WRC today, great fun !!!!! Thanks Ingemar and Tommy. http://fb.me/1SftpIFRx (http://t.co/JxLkT6RE)

Kielder

12th May 2012, 11:41

Latvala was testing in Sardinia for two days. He ran a total mileage that round the one he will have to do in Greece (even he did 30 kms without stopping). His arm is OK, ready for Greece.

traxx

12th May 2012, 15:59

Citroën was in Portugal this week to prepare Grece :
Citroën au Portugal pour la Grèce (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2012/05/12/citroen-au-portugal-pour-la-grece/)

janvanvurpa

12th May 2012, 18:16

Martin prokop had a shakedown with DMack tyres before Argentina on an autocross stage. Very very spectacular :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4aHUze_bw

Mirek, did you mean rally-cross? You see over in the Rally 3rd World， when people say "auto-cross" its a form of activity (hard to call it racing) that is done in parking places done in 1st and second gear 99% of the time. And they usually have more than 25 car classes.... That video of Prokop was great, real hard driving, action, and dirt flying; US auto-cross if you watch it, any normal person begins think of suicide since that would be more merciful than the boredom you suffer...

So was that a real rally-cross course, or what?

(what is called rally-cross here is same "must be approx 60-70 km/hr max" only on grass or dirt.. I call it grass-o-cross out of respect for real rally-cross...Funny thing is that many guys nationwide have picked up this idea and have begun calling grass-o-cross also....Again you begin looking for a long skinny screw driver to poke into your eyes if you accidentally watch it)

Mirek

12th May 2012, 20:04

No, I mean autocross - it even has a European championship by FIA :)

It's run with buggies (but also "cars") on dirt circuits. Very contact and spectacular motorsport. The strongest buggies have either 4 litre N/A or 2.0T engine, permanent 4WD with differentials etc.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/545911_305657389513934_124931634253178_55018730_18 87309226_n.jpg

Kielder

16th May 2012, 19:33

They're comin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RmoUQ3B6JWQ

rallyfiend

16th May 2012, 20:06

They're comin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RmoUQ3B6JWQ

It's a good looking, aggressive car.

eestlane

16th May 2012, 20:33

A lot of understeer :S

dimviii

16th May 2012, 21:21

A lot of understeer :S

yes at corner entry it was understeering strong.

amilk

17th May 2012, 07:35

also looks the suspension too soft

bluuford

17th May 2012, 08:28

also looks the suspension too soft

Where is NOT now? how many sec/km comapred to Fiesta and DS3?

Francis44

17th May 2012, 09:09

I wouldn't worry too much right now. This is what this tests are for, Im sure right now they are working on different setups and everything, I mean this is normal in the process of developing a car.

Rallyper

17th May 2012, 14:42

Where is NOT now? how many sec/km comapred to Fiesta and DS3?

NOT´s reputation has raised a lot since his excellent recce of Rally Greec resent weekend.

N.O.T

17th May 2012, 19:34

Where is NOT now? how many sec/km comapred to Fiesta and DS3?

0.5/km compared to citroen and 0.3/km compared to ford...

it didn't look very fast and it was moving a lot

cali

17th May 2012, 21:31

0.5/km compared to citroen and 0.3/km compared to ford...

it didn't look very fast and it was moving a lot
:D
damn, where's this world coming to as I have to at least agree with your second part.

Plan9

18th May 2012, 02:04

How fast is the Polo in comparison with the Countryman? I guess we have to know who the fastest German make is.

Mirek

18th May 2012, 08:07

You will know after first leg of Rallye Monte Carlo 2013.

bluuford

18th May 2012, 09:28

0.5/km compared to citroen and 0.3/km compared to ford...

it didn't look very fast and it was moving a lot

Thanks, Now at least I know the speed difference between Ford and Citroen ;-)

19th May 2012, 10:31

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dimviii

31st May 2012, 15:37

Test Privati Sebastian Loeb DS3 WRC Micciano 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k4foBBOpiN4)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151021634373083&set=a.10151021634173083.495674.52634073082&type=3&theater

traxx

31st May 2012, 19:16

Mikko crash during the test :(
Crash d (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2012/05/31/crash-dhrivonen-en-tests/)

dimviii

31st May 2012, 19:37

test Mikko
Test Citroen Racing WRT - Toscana - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1roRqUB7fU)

dimviii

31st May 2012, 19:53

Sebastien Loeb @ Micciano - Test Toscana | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/boga85/7307789228/in/photostream) Loeb test photos Toscana

dimviii

31st May 2012, 20:03

http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2012/05/31/120531091124327549.jpg

dimviii

31st May 2012, 20:17

Mikko test photos
DSC_0188 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matteofalcai/7309731224/in/set-72157629986850454/)

MartijnS

31st May 2012, 21:07

Video of the crash!

Crash Hirvonen test Asciano Toscana 2012.mov - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77PGt07BiK8)

Big one!

dimviii

31st May 2012, 21:15

Video of the crash!

Crash Hirvonen test Asciano Toscana 2012.mov - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77PGt07BiK8)

Big one!
wow high speed one.Good recovery Mikko and Jarmo

dimviii

31st May 2012, 21:30

Test DS3 WRC Hirvonen- Asciano (SI) HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=deD937V25qo)

Plan9

1st June 2012, 07:56

Any one got any footage of Dani testing before NZ??

traxx

1st June 2012, 08:37

iRally footage :

Sordo Mini WRC Shakedown before NZ 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbSgTbqRKYw)

dimviii

5th June 2012, 10:34

vw test in old Kaloskopi stage after Acropolis.Waiting for more info.
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/490482cfafc9e075e2784bffb7c30c02.jpghttp://hostthenpost.org/uploads/8b8432ad1d20ab76bdca8ea1bd7d2ff7.jpg

rallyfiend

5th June 2012, 10:38

5 days of testing. I believe they've taken 2 chassis with them.

I guess they're planning to give them an absolute flogging.

dimviii

7th June 2012, 17:44

http://www.autoblog.gr/wp-content/gallery/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing-3.jpghttp://www.autoblog.gr/wp-content/gallery/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing-4.jpghttp://www.autoblog.gr/wp-content/gallery/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing-2.jpghttp://www.autoblog.gr/wp-content/gallery/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing/sebastien-ogier-vw-polo-r-wrc-itea-testing-1.jpg

Kielder

9th June 2012, 14:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9kVa6vXtN8&feature=autoplay&list=PLD1D9A2 36BB75A56E&playnext=1

Kielder

9th June 2012, 14:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m14iRhZDWvE&feature=g-all-a&list=PLD1D9A236BB75A56E

dimviii

10th June 2012, 10:45

some photos from vw polo wrc from Greece
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makinen_fan

12th June 2012, 08:40

Proton testing in Sweet Lamb for rally Finland. Any idea you is driving?

Proton S2000 Test - Sweet Lamb [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RphJ2WA75Ps)
Proton Satria S2000 Test 10th July 2012 - Sweet Lamb - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orvsWA49sK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

MJW

12th June 2012, 09:07

Juha_Koo

12th June 2012, 09:11

Yeah, it's Salo. Helmet and notes (as well as the codriver) match. :)

T.Maanteiden kuningas

12th June 2012, 20:11

Juho Salo

Juha Salo.

Kielder

18th June 2012, 22:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7p2PpwUO_w&feature=player_embedded

grugsticles

19th June 2012, 12:11

I dont know if its just the camera being used, but Im seriously loving the aggressive not of the Polo WRC. Reminiscent of Group B days!

Franky

19th June 2012, 16:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7p2PpwUO_w&feature=player_embedded

What's the thing attached to the front of the car/bonnet at the shot around 0:30?

grugsticles

20th June 2012, 06:40

Just a camera mount, probably a Go-Pro.

Franky

20th June 2012, 21:54

Just a camera mount, probably a Go-Pro.

A ridiculously big one for such a small camera then. That was my first guess but don't want to believe it that much.

darkstar

21st June 2012, 07:13

i´ve seen a cameramount like this on a rallyecar before, so i also think its only a camera.

Tinke1979

25th June 2012, 14:32

[attachment=1:2dmz4qpt]vw_test2.jpg[/attachment:2dmz4qpt]

High flying WRC VW on Rally Finland tests today.. (Ogier/Ingrassia)

donlorean

25th June 2012, 15:02

Kuva-albumi - KK-Motorsport (http://kkmotorsport.ota.fi/albumi/vuosi2012/25.6vwtestit/)

Found this from Ralli.net. More pics from VW tests... Looking quite good...

Tinke1979

25th June 2012, 15:37

Kuva-albumi - KK-Motorsport (http://kkmotorsport.ota.fi/albumi/vuosi2012/25.6vwtestit/)

Found this from Ralli.net. More pics from VW tests... Looking quite good...

Yes :) Kari was with me on that jump :) Ogier surely was learning how to fly today :D

Maxi

25th June 2012, 17:20

Ogier tests in Finland

Edit: tommeke beat me to it
Sebastien Ogier testing WRC Polo in Finland (25.06.2012 in Kuhmoinen) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IO6EaqhpCA&feature=g-u-u)

N.O.T

25th June 2012, 19:33

suspension looks good...maybe a bit soft....maybe.

Hartusvuori

25th June 2012, 19:38

The suspension looks soft for sure, but it lands balanced on the clips. But we shouldn't draw too far conclusions on these first videos. It's development test and they obviously were testing things out, not yet runnning 100%, definitely not running the necessary speed yet. But oh boy it looks good.

Juha_Koo

25th June 2012, 19:40

Damn, I wasn't the fastest! :D My video coming as soon as it's processed and uploaded...

I could comment the day verbally a bit. You could see in the morning that Polo wasn't used to flying... :) But it improved helluva lot during the day and now it looks like veeery balanced on jumps, it's a joy to look because it comes down in a stable manner and suspension seemed to take the landings very well. I didn't see so much corner action, but I'd say the car is well balanced.

Juha_Koo

25th June 2012, 20:10

My video from the day :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBE8IlUVib0

A FONDO

25th June 2012, 20:51

Engine sound is terrific. Something between DS3 WRC and old Subaru WRC :)

Mirek

25th June 2012, 21:00

Landings are brilliant. Hard to say if the suspension isn't too soft for fast corners but definitely it looks very promising.

Rallyper

25th June 2012, 23:31

Juha Koo// Very nice to see video of today´s testing. How do manage to get to know where they are testing?
Anyway it´s good to let us others know about it. Thanks (even to other fellows reporting)

Hartusvuori

26th June 2012, 07:23

Juha Koo// Very nice to see video of today´s testing. How do manage to get to know where they are testing?
Anyway it´s good to let us others know about it. Thanks (even to other fellows reporting)

VW tests were hardly a secret anymore after Sunday when VW trucks ran towards Central Finland in Midsummer's return traffic. Perhaps the busiest day of the year in Finland's traffic so many rally fans saw the trucks, so 1+1...

Juha_Koo

26th June 2012, 08:39

Tinke1979

26th June 2012, 10:11

VW tests were hardly a secret anymore after Sunday when VW trucks ran towards Central Finland in Midsummer's return traffic. Perhaps the busiest day of the year in Finland's traffic so many rally fans saw the trucks, so 1+1...

Although all fans have seen the VW trucks on sunday, there was not a lot of us to spectate yesterdays test-runs :) And not so many today however. A friend of mine is there today and he called to me and wondered about there´s no fans at all today. Only he and two others, maybe more in afternoon?

Hartusvuori

26th June 2012, 10:20

Although all fans have seen the VW trucks on sunday, there was not a lot of us to spectate yesterdays test-runs :) And not so many today however. A friend of mine is there today and he called to me and wondered about there´s no fans at all today. Only he and two others, maybe more in afternoon?

Seeing trucks doesn't mean knowing the test road, though.

Here's my friend's set of photos from Monday, a bit different places than on previous galleries:
rallyphotos.kuvat.fi (http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/VW+Motorsport+test++Kuhmoinen+25.6.2012/)

Franky

26th June 2012, 16:22

On what roads were they exactly testing in the Kuhmoinen area?

Juha_Koo

26th June 2012, 21:17

Volkswagen continues in Finland, my video from the second day... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtoYkeOx6jk

dimviii

26th June 2012, 21:30

excellent video!! bravo!

Brother John

27th June 2012, 06:09

http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png Yes very nice video of my favorite rally. http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png

AMSS

27th June 2012, 06:27

I also agree with previous comments about the car, it looks really good at the moment, also the suspension has clearly improved since the videos from the first test day.

Miika

27th June 2012, 07:25

News bit of Ogier testing in Kuhmoinen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_rIKprbKgE

Hartusvuori

27th June 2012, 08:11

Excellent video Juha!

Here's another set of pictures from my friend: rallyphotos.kuvat.fi (http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/VW+Motorsport+test+Kuhmoinen++26.6.2012+/)

Apparently King Carlos was present as well...

EDIT: And is that Lois Moya with him? http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/VW+Motorsport+test+Kuhmoinen++26.6.2012+/IMG_2682.JPG

Miika

27th June 2012, 08:21

Read somewhere that Carlos will be driving at the tests as well at some point. We´ll see.

janvanvurpa

27th June 2012, 08:29

Read somewhere that Carlos will be driving at the tests as well at some point. We´ll see.

I'd love to see that....I still giggle how good Kankunnen did when he basically just hopped in the Ford a couple of years ago.

dimviii

27th June 2012, 11:44

EDIT: And is that Lois Moya with him? rallyphotos.kuvat.fi (http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/VW+Motorsport+test+Kuhmoinen++26.6.2012+/IMG_2682.JPG)

yes

Juha_Koo

27th June 2012, 12:27

Sainz is driving today with Moya, I'm doing a quick visit to the test at the moment. No video from me today though, day off. :D

dimviii

27th June 2012, 12:38

. No video from me today though, day off. :D

dont even think about it. :D

Francis44

27th June 2012, 13:07

Sainz is driving today with Moya, I'm doing a quick visit to the test at the moment. No video from me today though, day off. :D

That's very nice. I tend to think watching the rally through lens and video cameras detracts a bit from the action itself. Sometimes it's nice to leave the gear at home and watch the action properly with our own eyes.

Juha_Koo

27th June 2012, 14:18

dont even think about it. :D

:D Sorry. Today's road was rather dull, very fast but nothing special close to my entry point.

That's very nice. I tend to think watching the rally through lens and video cameras detracts a bit from the action itself. Sometimes it's nice to leave the gear at home and watch the action properly with our own eyes.

Yes, very true. Luckily testdays are long so you can both spectate and photo/videograph. But it's completely different thing to do media and to spectate, while shooting video you need to focus 100% to it etc. so the experience goes a bit past. Then also when doing videos, it's quite long days, getting up at 6-7am, driving 1-3 hours to the test site and then ~8 hours spectating/videoing at the test, lots of walking, maybe talking with people, getting something to eat and then driving back home, and maybe 1-2 hours of editing etc.

Sainz was clearly slower than Ogier, lacking a bit of commitment on fast places. Pretty laid-back atmosphere in the tests today, Sainz did a lot of single runs only and there wasn't any rush visible. Car was now on a rather open place but cameras were prohibited. I made some observations though... I guess local people thought that I was a nutcase as I was crouching on the ground twisting my head to get good view.

dimviii

27th June 2012, 15:13

observations....hmmmm..

Miika

27th June 2012, 16:01

Carlos today I assume:
https://picasaweb.google.com/118420423449822575475/PoloWRCTestitEhikki2762012#

Kielder

27th June 2012, 19:06

Yes, Carlos & Luis were in Finland today. They're testing for something :D ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5OibX-FpxE&feature=player_embedded

Hartusvuori

27th June 2012, 19:11

They're testing for something :D ...

...zero car for what rally, perhaps?

Kielder

27th June 2012, 19:38

There's been rumours during the year of a start somewhere, for example in Germany or in Catalunya. Germany is the next rally after NORF. It's a gravel test, but maybe VW will be busy after the rally in Finland preparing the car for Germany, even as zero car. Time will tell, nevertheless VW used to test after the rally. Something has changed.
Carlos is still full of beans, he has participated with Moya in several historic rallies in Spain recently. I only hope VW don't let Moya to be part of the team, he himself could sink the project.

Hartusvuori

27th June 2012, 19:42

Even if it doesn't necessarily mean anything, it's a valid point they're testing before the rally, not after. I wouldn't mind seeing Polo WRC as a zero car in Germany, not at all.

tfp

27th June 2012, 20:27

I only hope VW don't let Moya to be part of the team, he himself could sink the project.

How do you mean?

mousti

27th June 2012, 21:06

RAS007

27th June 2012, 21:57

How do you mean?

I would also like to know.

TyPat107

27th June 2012, 22:54

Homologation is for 2013 so don't hope on a rally as a 0 car..
Zero cars have to be homologated?

Kielder

27th June 2012, 23:57

After his retirement, Moya was named Subaru's Sporting Director. He worked for the team from 2003 to 2006, when despite of the Solberg's Championship the first year the decadence of the team began. It was not only his fault, he shared it with Howarth and Lapworth.
The second chapter was worse. In 2010 Moya became the Team Manager of a private rallying team: Nupel Racing Team. Although Pons won the SWRC title, several drivers who ran the Spanish Championship left the team due to their problems with Moya. The team disappeared the following year. Then it was revealed that the main sponsor got public money in an illegal way, ending everything in court of justice. Several books could be written with the stories of this team.
To conclude, Moya was twice in the middle of the mess. He was a great co-driver, which doesn't mean he'd be a good manager, principal or whatever. Sainz was the brilliant part of both.

Kielder

28th June 2012, 00:00

I wouldn't mind about the homologation. After what happened with Ford and Mini this year, VW could even score points this year. :p

Rally Hokkaido

28th June 2012, 00:38

Zero cars have to be homologated? In princple, yes they have to be, but exceptions have been made. At Rally Japan in 2004? Tommi Makinen drove a yet-to-be homologated Impreza (Spec C) GpN car. All information on the car had to be sent to FIA for approval to use it as zero car.

Gherid_lacksGPS

28th June 2012, 05:37

Thanks for the testing updates peeps, good stuff.

pantealex

28th June 2012, 10:40

Homologation is for 2013 so don't hope on a rally as a 0 car..
NORF2011 had Ford Kuga and Ranger PickUps as zero cars, so no need for homologation!
This year they will use Citroën 4x4 cars as zero car, again no homologation...

Hartusvuori

28th June 2012, 13:38

VW tests continue today with Sainz behind the wheel. Ogier will drive on Friday on the last day of tests.

Ogier testannut Suomessa - lue erikoishaastattelu - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2012/06/1572852/ogier-testannut-suomessa---lue-erikoishaastattelu)

Rallyfolks

28th June 2012, 15:18

does anyone know where wv test is tomorrow? :rolleyes:

Hartusvuori

28th June 2012, 15:53

A video clip I found from Thursday's VW test with Sainz driving.
Moottoriurheilun kuvausta vasta vuodesta 2005! (http://jkralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Videot/28.6.2012+VW+WRC+testit,+Juupajoki.mpg)

Hartusvuori

28th June 2012, 18:32

If you aren't already sick of these videos, here's another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFQTAle3jY&feature=player_embedded

tfp

28th June 2012, 23:36

The sleeping giant stirs....

Juha_Koo

29th June 2012, 17:11

Final VW tests were today, Ogier drove with only the Polo WRC on a very fast road with few big jumps.

No video from me, as I was assisting the test organizers today. But I saw some video and photo guys present in the test so some footage will come online. :)

Juha_Koo

29th June 2012, 20:34

janvanvurpa

29th June 2012, 20:40

Two videos from today:

29.6.2012 Sebastien Ogier testing VW Polo WRC, Finland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtG2-Q4xSFY)

29.6.2012 Sebastien Ogier, VW Polo WRC testday 5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ms77VpUuQk)

I posted some of the earlier one on our little Clubbie oriented forum Rally Anarchy - Don't Panic (http://www.rallyanarchy.com) and they boys are going crazy, what roads they say, heaven...ralli-paradis!
Thanks for posting these....

tfp

30th June 2012, 01:03

vkangas

30th June 2012, 11:42

Two videos from today:

29.6.2012 Sebastien Ogier testing VW Polo WRC, Finland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtG2-Q4xSFY)

29.6.2012 Sebastien Ogier, VW Polo WRC testday 5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ms77VpUuQk)

Great stuff! Suspension is starting to look very good! For example this landing... 29.6.2012 Sebastien Ogier testing VW Polo WRC, Finland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vtG2-Q4xSFY#t=39s)

MartijnS

5th July 2012, 11:28

I've read that the first tarmac tests in Germany started today.
Not sure which teams, but apparently Citroën is testing in Baumholder this saturday, so they are probably in the vineyards today.

MartijnS

5th July 2012, 13:17

Indeed Citroën :)

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/319440_4060924169042_1296601271_n.jpg

dimviii

5th July 2012, 13:29

changed rims? any other photo?

MartijnS

5th July 2012, 13:31

No, only found this one.

hanjob11

5th July 2012, 19:49

Hi,

you can find some pictures of todays testing at our website: rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_1_1882/test-loeb-veldenz-2012_03_20120705_1567581860.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_1_1882/test-loeb-veldenz-2012_06_20120705_1622764576.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_1_1882/test-loeb-veldenz-2012_19_20120705_1922025698.jpg

Still more to come :)

Karsten

stefanvv

5th July 2012, 20:21

Changed rims because of Panzerplatte?

jbmarcus21

5th July 2012, 20:30

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8641/img5794a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/img5794a.jpg/)

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jbmarcus21

5th July 2012, 20:38

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5536/img8208b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/img8208b.jpg/)

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dimviii

5th July 2012, 21:29

Loeb Test Veldenz - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL_BFTuuuPU&feature=player_embedded)

Barreis

5th July 2012, 22:39

Atkinson says on his twitter about one day of testing before Finland (24th).

MotorsportManiac

6th July 2012, 07:10

Has been there for some minutes yesterday ;) Today I should bring some more pictures
Later this day my pictures will be on rally3.de

http://motorsportmaniac.mo.funpic.de/index.php/meine-fotos/fotos-2012/image?format=raw&type=orig&id=8633

http://motorsportmaniac.mo.funpic.de/index.php/meine-fotos/fotos-2012/image?format=raw&type=orig&id=8640

http://motorsportmaniac.mo.funpic.de/index.php/meine-fotos/fotos-2012/image?format=raw&type=orig&id=8650

http://motorsportmaniac.mo.funpic.de/index.php/meine-fotos/fotos-2012/image?format=raw&type=orig&id=8655

Hier gibts noch ein paa mehr http://motorsportmaniac.mo.funpic.de/index.php/meine-fotos/fotos-2012/loeb-veldenz-2012?page=1&catpage=1#category]LINK[/URL (http://[URL)]

Gruß Kevin

6th July 2012, 07:27

Former F1 driver Mika Salo will test MINI John Cooper Works WRC today 6th July at Prodrive...

dimviii

6th July 2012, 21:45

white wing
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/599282_247116092073386_884957280_n.jpg

jbmarcus21

6th July 2012, 21:54

Full Gallery [PHOTOS] Hirvonen & Loeb testing Rallye Deutschland 2012 http://bit.ly/KXQDqq

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1474/5373o.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/5373o.jpg/)

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hanjob11

7th July 2012, 19:03

Hello,

today Loeb & Hirvonen tested at Panzerplatte!

Pictures you can see here -> here (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-citroen/album-6/) <-

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_6_1887/leitzenberg_citroen12_kh_023_20120707_1211596877.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_6_1887/leitzenberg_citroen12_kh_061_20120707_1602762359.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_6_1887/leitzenberg_citroen12_kh_127_20120707_1652649497.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_6_1887/leitzenberg_citroen12_kh_151_20120707_1765041501.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_1881/album_6_1887/leitzenberg_citroen12_kh_031_20120707_2090195590.j pg

Still more to come!

Karsten

TyPat107

8th July 2012, 12:47

Let's hope they make the wing black again and the wheels white again, for the rallies...

am I the only one in love with the white wing an gunmetal wheels? I think the change is great over the regular scheme which is starting to look stale to me. I hope at least one of the drivers keep it.

dimviii

8th July 2012, 13:21

prefer black wing with black rims

MotorsportManiac

8th July 2012, 16:59

prefer black wing with black rims

Like that too
The white wing is on the car, because Loeb hat a litle crash at the end of hist testday on thursday ;) befor that the wing was black ;)

regards Kevin

dimviii

9th July 2012, 13:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXJCjRZYuU

dimviii

10th July 2012, 22:16

Essais pré-Allemagne 2012 LOEB/HIRVONEN DS3 WRC - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xs35ei_essais-pre-allemagne-2012-loeb-hirvonen-ds3-wrc_sport?start=16)

tolis

11th July 2012, 11:09

VW testing in tarmac

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376500_10151077689750733_1823530312_n.jpg

leighton323

11th July 2012, 12:32

Is it just me, but do those black wheels on both the Polo and DS3 make the car look 10 times more aggressive

Mirek

11th July 2012, 12:39

I don't like the black wheels at all...

skarderud

11th July 2012, 13:15

The dark wheels are really nice, i liked the look of the ds3 whit white wing also.

Francis44

11th July 2012, 13:36

I don't like the black wheels at all...

I dont like it aswell. For me black wheels make me remember of tunning and the street race culture, which I dont like. Much better the serious style white wheels bring.

Addicted

11th July 2012, 13:38

Looks VW had nothing to hide while testing in Germany but in Finland it was forbidden to take pics at paddock area for some reason.

Also tarmac testcar has some livery covering boring white.

Barreis

11th July 2012, 13:39

This polo looks great.

Juha_Koo

11th July 2012, 15:26

Looks VW had nothing to hide while testing in Germany but in Finland it was forbidden to take pics at paddock area for some reason.

I wouldn't be so sure about it, maybe it has been also prohibited in Germany test but it's nearly impossible to prevent pictures being taken on the paddock area... Unless you hide the car inside a building or a makeshift barriers with trucks etc.

CWJ

11th July 2012, 15:45

Looks VW had nothing to hide while testing in Germany but in Finland it was forbidden to take pics at paddock area for some reason.

Also tarmac testcar has some livery covering boring white.

Its official event with codrives of European journalists. They get pics from the team only. So its the same...

jbmarcus21

11th July 2012, 16:32

Rainy Test Day ..

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6324/615493347.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/615493347.jpg/)

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Juha_Koo

11th July 2012, 17:10

Video from the test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNX9aOsQlhA

Looks better than in the Catalunya video... Also for the first time (atleast for me), correvit sensor light is visible, near the left front tyre.

hanjob11

11th July 2012, 20:32

Hello,

here some photos of todays Test of Sebastien Ogier

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_1_1891/brauneberg_vw12_35_20120711_1010622242.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_1_1891/brauneberg_vw12_52_20120711_1579528623.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_1_1891/brauneberg_vw12_25_20120711_1945750736.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_1_1891/brauneberg_vw12_56_20120711_1511419741.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_1_1891/brauneberg_vw12_46_20120711_1561192832.jpg

More at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

Karsten

Juha_Koo

11th July 2012, 22:22

jbmarcus21

11th July 2012, 23:17

Full gallery photos VW Ogier Polo Wrc

Image (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/testdaysdeutschland12.htm)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4581/5384i.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/5384i.jpg/)

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Patrick Bredi Butschell

12th July 2012, 11:55

Does anyone know when VW is testing the Polo WRC in Austria at the "Großglockner"?

hanjob11

12th July 2012, 19:34

Hallo,

here some pictures of todays test of VW at Veldenz online -> here (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-vw/album-6/) <-

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_6_1896/veldenz_vw12kh_21_20120712_1501125360.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_6_1896/veldenz_vw12kh_42_20120712_1825198826.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_6_1896/veldenz_vw12kh_38_20120712_1463800788.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_6_1896/veldenz_vw12kh_39_20120712_1876504318.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_6_1896/veldenz_vw12kh_13_20120712_1857653507.jpg

Karsten

dimviii

12th July 2012, 20:35

Martin Prokop Ford Fiesta RS WRC tarmac test July 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGonVs7eQm8&feature=player_embedded)

danon

13th July 2012, 00:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBP98HfY3Qs

dimviii

13th July 2012, 14:36

Test VW Motorsport / Polo WRC / Sebastien Ogier / Brauneberg [HD] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OvUTCbO6ew&feature=player_embedded#!)

jbmarcus21

13th July 2012, 14:48

my video about VW testing Polo Wrc with Ogier
Enjoy

Test Days Volkswagen Motorsport S.Ogier & Polo Wrc 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-9Qfr7uFM)

danon

14th July 2012, 00:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rla86DMsWa4

dimviii

14th July 2012, 21:46

polo without rear bumper
http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_10_1900/test-depping-leitzenberg-2012-mk-23_20120714_1994556618.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_vw_1890/album_10_1900/test-depping-leitzenberg-2012-mk-12_20120714_1746046832.jpg

more photos
rally3.de - BILDER - Album 10 (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-vw/album-10/start=1.html#category)

dimviii

15th July 2012, 08:39

Test VW Polo R WRC - Baumholder 2012 [HD] by JM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQXFpgTyGg&feature=player_embedded)

jbmarcus21

15th July 2012, 18:54

Full Gallery [PHOTOS] 5 TEST DAYS with Polo Wrc Image (http://bit.ly/KXQDqq)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8980/5413w.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/228/5413w.jpg/)

Mirek

20th July 2012, 19:24

Don't know if this very spectacular video of Prokop's test was here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=htKpukAbeMU&feature=endscreen

Mirek

20th July 2012, 19:30

I just realized that it looks like Polo's rollcage doesn't have the short tube connecting the B-pillar vertical tube and roof's horizontal tube... (which is usually used to create a triangle next to drivers' heads to prevent roof crushing in hard roof impacts.) I've thought it's mandatory in WRC rules.

I'm not sure about WRC rules. I think that there is statement saying that in case they undergo all necessary homologation tests they can design the cage in different way than just to combine mandatory elements from the specific regulations (I don't know if those tests are different for WRC but otherwise they are rather easy to be fulfilled). But anyway those tubes You speak about shall be there because they are extremely important in case the car hit a tree or a pole by the roof. Probably the cage in test cars is still not completely finished.

Allyc85

20th July 2012, 20:12

Don't know if this very spectacular video of Prokop's test was here:

Mad location for the service crew!

Mirek

20th July 2012, 22:13

By the way the testing road (testing polygon of truck manufacturer Tatra) used to be a spectator stage of Barum rally during the 1990'. But it was far from Zlín so they don't run it anymore...

N.O.T

20th July 2012, 22:41

Why he tested the car ??

Mirek

20th July 2012, 22:47

Who? Prokop? He did very few kilometers on asphalt in Fiesta WRC so he needs to test as much as possible.

Extremrallye

21st July 2012, 00:07

Gravel test Polo R WRC Ogier/Ingrassia
Ogier Polo R WRC Gravel (http://www.extremrallye.com/ogier_polo_wrc.html)

N.O.T

21st July 2012, 00:09

Who? Prokop? He did very few kilometers on asphalt in Fiesta WRC so he needs to test as much as possible.

yes but i never really understood why drivers with no potential test the cars before the events.... i think they do it to have fun rather than change things...

TyPat107

21st July 2012, 01:22

yes but i never really understood why drivers with no potential test the cars before the events.... i think they do it to have fun rather than change things...

Cant really say I would blame him. Who wouldn't take advantage of every minute behind the wheel of a wrc car if they had it available to them? I drive my rally car to work when I can.

sete

21st July 2012, 11:53

why do you think prokop is a driver with no potential?he is best driver between privateers!! and this season is taken as a learning with the car.look where is the famous Tanak.Neuville is too behind him in overall classificitation.
for me this is a dream season for M.Prokop.

Rallyper

21st July 2012, 12:03

Gravel test Polo R WRC Ogier/Ingrassia
Ogier Polo R WRC Gravel (http://www.extremrallye.com/ogier_polo_wrc.html)

That´s in Portugal at the same place where every other team has been testing during the past years, is´nt it?

Francis44

21st July 2012, 12:08

That´s in Portugal at the same place where every other team has been testing during the past years, is´nt it?

I think this spot is a very well known one in France. Teams who want to know if the car is strong go there.

Barreis

21st July 2012, 13:22

Extremrallye

21st July 2012, 14:12

That´s in Portugal at the same place where every other team has been testing during the past years, is´nt it?
Absolutely not, south of France.

Rallyper

21st July 2012, 15:05

Absolutely not, south of France.

OK, my misunderstanding. :o But it´s commonly used of other teams as well?

kirungi okwogera

21st July 2012, 17:19

yes but i never really understood why drivers with no potential test the cars before the events.... i think they do it to have fun rather than change things...
You are a bit hard on Prokop, in his five rallies this year he's averaged around 6th place and always finished top ten - 9, 9, 5, 4, 5. Not a rally winning pace true but not a tourist. I would say he does have potential. You act like unless you are future Loeb you should quit rally...

danon

22nd July 2012, 00:24

This guy needs to lose weight... for a start.
As for to be(at) a future Loeb a double backflip is a must. At least!

Surely he won't be the new shiny star of the galaxy,
but we all deeply appreciate his attempts.

As the saying goes - Try and fail, but don't fail to try!

No guts, no glory!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UboR7FZrys

Extremrallye

22nd July 2012, 12:54

OK, my misunderstanding. :o But it´s commonly used of other teams as well?
Absolutely, Citroen, Ford, Prodrive and now VW made out a will on this stage. They make generally tests robustness.

kiil

22nd July 2012, 14:08

I'm not sure about WRC rules. I think that there is statement saying that in case they undergo all necessary homologation tests they can design the cage in different way than just to combine mandatory elements from the specific regulations (I don't know if those tests are different for WRC but otherwise they are rather easy to be fulfilled). But anyway those tubes You speak about shall be there because they are extremely important in case the car hit a tree or a pole by the roof. Probably the cage in test cars is still not completely finished.

I know it's not a WRC, but 207 R3T doesn't have this tube either:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2672/131q.jpg

dimviii

22nd July 2012, 18:18

Essais Privés (http://www.notryaphotos.com/rallyes/4689/essais-prives-sebastien-ogier)

dimviii

23rd July 2012, 19:01

Peter van Merksteijn jr. testing for Rallye Deutschland [incl. almost off] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmd4R-ixDqA&feature=player_embedded#!)

CWJ

23rd July 2012, 20:23

2011 ... !

traxx

23rd July 2012, 22:47

OK, my misunderstanding. :o But it´s commonly used of other teams as well?

Yes, it is. For instance :
Petter with the Fiesta : Ford sur le cassant (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2012/02/23/ford-sur-le-cassant/)
Dani with the Mini : Mini à l (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2011/02/21/mini-a-lepreuve-de-la-terre-cassante/)
Petter with the DS3 : Petter Solberg bosse dur (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2011/02/24/petter-solberg-bosse-dur/)
Henning with the Fiesta : Fiesta sur le cassant (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2010/08/08/fiesta-sur-le-cassant/)
Ogier/Sordo with the DS3 : La DS3 roule roule (http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2010/05/14/la-ds3-roule-roule/)

Juha_Koo

24th July 2012, 16:29

There has been an shooting incident near Ford test site today. But nothing as serious as the tabloibs are telling, apparently some "wise" guy decided to do some target practice near the test site. Also during the tests, an old man got an heart attack, luckily ambulance was basically on the other side of the road... And like that wouldn't be enough, there was a bear spotted near the test site.

Un-fking-believable :D Small video (of the test driving, none of the incidents) coming later today.

stefanvv

24th July 2012, 17:25

cali

24th July 2012, 17:55

Sounds like there was a lot of entertainment :D Who was testing? Solberg? Latvala?
Solberg

A FONDO

24th July 2012, 18:27

Juha_Koo

24th July 2012, 18:34

My video from today. :) Ford Day1 with Solberg & Patterson on a small road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1qVys6ZGU

dimviii

24th July 2012, 19:48

2011 ... !
:dozey:

Juha_Koo

25th July 2012, 17:41

My video from Ford's second test day, today on a bigger road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXumRIy1FQ

jbmarcus21

25th July 2012, 21:19

Juha you are the Best ! .... Finland Test are wonderful !!!

driveace

25th July 2012, 21:58

Harri Toivonen has posted photo,s of his Fiesta "M Sport sponsored by his own company "Ioni Drinks " on my FB.Is he doing the Thousand Lakes or Sardinia ?

skarderud

25th July 2012, 22:24

Nice video! Good sound when he hits the rpm-limiter at jumps :) flat out!

dimviii

26th July 2012, 19:22

Jari-Matti Latvala - Rally Finland tests 26.7.2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsI40ppt0jc&feature=player_embedded)

Petter Solberg testaa Orivedellä - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxJywPThFc&feature=player_embedded)

turn up the volume :D

Juha_Koo

26th July 2012, 21:16

I was assisting the test organization today, a 12 hour day not including the trips... My hat off to all those actives who do it many days in a row!

Nevertheless, I managed to get some good video but my return to home was so late and have to wake up early tomorrow so I will do a ONE longer video of Latvala's testing combining days 3 & 4, coming online tomorrow! ;)

janvanvurpa

26th July 2012, 22:47

HarriK

27th July 2012, 13:34

Some poor quality Lumia videos from both days of JML tests:
http://harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2012/NORF_tests_JML/

Juha_Koo

27th July 2012, 19:54

My video from 3rd & 4th day of Ford's tests...

Rock 'n Roll, JML in Finland! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oug7y4GG8NA

jbmarcus21

28th July 2012, 09:05

Really Nice !!!! Thanks for this test week report !

jbmarcus21

28th July 2012, 10:53

Jari Ketomaa testing Rallye Wrc Finland [Photo] Twitpic - Share photos and videos on Twitter (http://twitpic.com/acn4gw)

dimviii

28th July 2012, 14:21

Tests Rallye Finlande 2012. JM.Latvala, P.Solberg, M.Hirvonen. Ford WRT, Citroen WRT [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4UhXpyMe0&feature=player_embedded)

Juha_Koo

28th July 2012, 15:51

Ken Block and Matti Rantanen Finland tests ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2LJp1R0xA

dimviii

28th July 2012, 22:03

Jari Ketomaa DMACK FORD WRC 2012 - Preparing for Neste Rally 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNU_46gUTaw&feature=player_embedded)

ProRally

29th July 2012, 08:00

Jari Ketomaa DMACK FORD WRC 2012 - Preparing for Neste Rally 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNU_46gUTaw&feature=player_embedded)

Nice one...... very well done

dimviii

29th July 2012, 10:05

Mikko Hirvonen Citroën DS3 WRC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVC-iDyBQQM&feature=player_embedded)

Extremrallye

29th July 2012, 12:49

Back from Finland tests, 3 days absolutely fantastics with my friends Traxx and Dim, like last year, Juha is on the place :) . Little vidéo, Ford (Petter-JML), Citroen (Mikko).
Juha, remember, on january, YOU come in France for MC tests :) .

http://youtu.be/SE4UhXpyMe0?hd=1

Xsara Fan

29th July 2012, 21:56

Juha_Koo

29th July 2012, 22:11

Juha, remember, on january, YOU come in France for MC tests :)

Crazy shots with Mikko! :eek: Let's see what will happen in January... ;)

sete

30th July 2012, 05:58

Sorry, but the best driver between privateers is Mads Ostberg. The second best is Novikov. Prokop is the third.
yes Ostberg and Novikov are not members of factory team but theirs cars are litlle bit closer to the factory cars then Prokop car.

Rallyper

30th July 2012, 09:12

I heard that in NORF they will have similar engines and I think even the suspention as factory cars.

dimviii

30th July 2012, 18:52

Any Loeb test video? wrc.com said he tested already

dimviii

30th July 2012, 19:04

nice passes from Pga and Breen
Neste Oil Rally Finland 2012 SWRC tests @ Saarijärvi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZCgMKttjL8&feature=player_embedded)

Xsara Fan

30th July 2012, 21:24

yes Ostberg and Novikov are not members of factory team but theirs cars are litlle bit closer to the factory cars then Prokop car.

OK. So now we have 'factory cars', 'factory privateer cars', 'privateer privateer cars'?

Mirek

30th July 2012, 22:07

yes Ostberg and Novikov are not members of factory team but theirs cars are litlle bit closer to the factory cars then Prokop car.

Only M-Sport knows exactly what is same, what is different, how it differs and why. I think that turning discussion into that way is pointless. I don't think You have relevant information to judge the level of Prokop's car compared to Novikov's one. What we know is that while Novikov's one is run by M-Sport the one of Prokop is run by his own team but that doesn't automatically mean Novikov's one is better.

But of course if You know exact reasons why Novikov's one is better I would welcome such information.

danon

30th July 2012, 23:15

Funds - is the fundamental one.
The more you have/give the more you get.
No finance = No romance!
More money more honey etc....

It's not a space science.

Mirek

30th July 2012, 23:38

It actually is a space science. Or do You think You will get the best if You now come to M-Sport and say I have won a million Euro, give me the best You have? How do You know what is the best? To know what You spend Your money on is very important part of the game.

stefanvv

30th July 2012, 23:54

You probably measure things which are unmeasurable. Prokop deserves respect for the results achieved this year in WRC car, yes Ostberg and Novikov have much better results this year, but I don't think the little differences in the cars counts that much as the experience in WRC car and events participated. I also think that these differences suite ones better than others (if they are small of course).
But I'm also curious what are these so big defining things in different between their cars ;) This must be some inside information.

vkangas

31st July 2012, 00:32

Sorry for the OT... 99% of people always think that competetive package = latest parts for the car. It's not the case, it's very far from it. The differences between works and privateer can exist on every area and every level of the complete package.

Few things that are defining the overall performance are for example testing time, support, data available, data analysis tools, sensors & other gear etc, car maintenance standards (complete rebuild whenever possible for all parts vs. minimum maintenance to maintain reliability). Big part is the skill level and experience of the engineers. It's totally different story to set up a car that you have designed. Manufacturer teams will always have the best guys working for them with top priority and that really makes some difference.

Some of these things you can buy with money but many not. If all the cars in WRC would have "lastest spec" parts all the time factory cars would still be the fastest in the long run.

danon

31st July 2012, 01:03

... Few things that are defining the overall performance are for example testing time, support, data available, data analysis tools, sensors & other gear etc, car maintenance standards (complete rebuild whenever possible for all parts vs. minimum maintenance to maintain reliability). Big part is the skill level and experience of the engineers... Some of these things you can buy with money but many not.

... except money, what else can buy all the things listed.

sete

31st July 2012, 10:19

Only M-Sport knows exactly what is same, what is different, how it differs and why. I think that turning discussion into that way is pointless. I don't think You have relevant information to judge the level of Prokop's car compared to Novikov's one. What we know is that while Novikov's one is run by M-Sport the one of Prokop is run by his own team but that doesn't automatically mean Novikov's one is better.

But of course if You know exact reasons why Novikov's one is better I would welcome such information.

no i didnt have any info about differences of theirs cars,it was only my rumours.but i dont that Prokop is so bad driver as others say.

Ucci

31st July 2012, 11:25

As Mirek told-this conversation is pointless. There are differences between factory cars compare to non-factory cars, but they are never so huge as the driving skills between factory drivers against pure privat drivers.
No one will ever convince me that for example Latvala would be slower than Prokop in JML's car and JML in Prokop's car. And I'm not saying, that Prokop is a bad driver, far from that...I respect every private driver in WRC as in IRC....But the amount of testing gives factory drivers the biggest advantage, small technical details to which only factory teams have access to are yust a cream on the strawberry cake. IMHO it is also a big question, if a private driver would be at first any faster with these small changes to his car if he would not do extensive testing and/or adjust his driving style.

EightGear

31st July 2012, 16:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1MbGXxiLKU

A FONDO

31st July 2012, 16:53

Many thanks, this video made my day. Watching MINI on tarmac is OUTSTANDING!

userwave

31st July 2012, 18:27

Watching MINI on tarmac is OUTSTANDING!

it wasn't at last years Rally France / Alsace :)

hanjob11

31st July 2012, 19:32

Hello,

here some pictures of todays testing Mini/Prodrive for Rallye Deutschland 2012

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_1_1929/testmini12_kh_054_20120731_1135726116.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_1_1929/testmini12_kh_141_20120731_2057336032.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_1_1929/testmini12_kh_150_20120731_1524432068.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_1_1929/testmini12_kh_019_20120731_1938505783.jpg

More photos at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

Karsten

Red bull

31st July 2012, 19:48

Ken Block Helmet cam at WRC Finland Testing (With Pure Engine Sounds) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rqth7Iy6jkg) KEN BLOCK FINLAND TEST

jbmarcus21

31st July 2012, 20:43

Full Gallery [PHOTOS] Dani Sordo testing Rallye Deutschland Image (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/testdaysdeutschland12.htm)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7223/5441w.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/5441w.jpg/)

Sulland

31st July 2012, 21:20

OK. So now we have 'factory cars', 'factory privateer cars', 'privateer privateer cars'?

ITs been like that for many years!

danon

31st July 2012, 23:12

And it won't change for years to come.
No drama.

danon

31st July 2012, 23:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kyjBwNNUwj4

danon

1st August 2012, 15:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c9YNdGbtwBk

dimviii

2nd August 2012, 12:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kyjBwNNUwj4

long version,with very good video.
ADAC 2012 - Test Days @ Prodrive - Dani Sordo Mini JCW WRC - Long Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfynbi7GKeU&feature=player_embedded)

MotorsportManiac

2nd August 2012, 19:28

My Pics of Tuesday are online on rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-mini/album-5/)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_5_1940/img_0871_20120731_1506223986.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_5_1940/img_1171_20120731_2096504920.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_5_1940/img_8977_20120731_1118916836.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_5_1940/img_9131_20120731_1487464521.jpg

More HERE (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-mini/album-5/) ;)

regards Kevin

MotorsportManiac

2nd August 2012, 19:30

And some pics from Wednesday ;)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_7_1944/img_9207_20120801_1693849672.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_7_1944/img_9478_20120801_1156772928.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_mini_1928/album_7_1944/img_9500_20120801_1311233014.jpg

More HERE (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-mini/album-7/start=1.html#category) ;)

regards Kevin

hanjob11

2nd August 2012, 20:41

Video of Prodrive Mini test at Brauneberg & Riol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUyX-RkjjBI&feature=player_embedded

Extremrallye

3rd August 2012, 22:23

Second vidéo of rally Finland test, more longer, on board with JML, if you dont like intro with music, do not look, but many jump and on board :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY47s_zc8Eo&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

hanjob11

11th August 2012, 19:23

Hello,

pictures of todays test of Thierry Neuville at Leitzenberg are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-citroen-junior-team/album-1/) :)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_junior_team_1972/album_1_1973/testneuvillle12_kh_110_20120811_1101475498.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_junior_team_1972/album_1_1973/testneuvillle12_kh_126_20120811_1468515208.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_junior_team_1972/album_1_1973/testneuvillle12_kh_051_20120811_1017340872.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_citroen_junior_team_1972/album_1_1973/testneuvillle12_kh_007_20120811_2094374964.jpg

Karsten

jbmarcus21

11th August 2012, 20:34

Full Gallery PHOTOS Neuville testing Image (http://bit.ly/KXQDqq)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/716/5455h.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/5455h.jpg/)

dimviii

11th August 2012, 22:28

also Bruno Thiry helpinghim with setup
http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/12/15/26/89/30450410.jpg

dimviii

12th August 2012, 06:11

@ 1,45 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVPhGZ_ulbI&feature=player_embedded

jbmarcus21

12th August 2012, 20:31

Full Gallery [PHOTOS] Van Merksteijn Jr testing Rallye Deutschland Image (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/testdaysdeutschland12.htm)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8228/5471g.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/5471g.jpg/)

rallysupportnl

13th August 2012, 17:10

Test day of Van Merksteijn Jr. - Baumholder 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-w1_xej6A

rallysupportnl

14th August 2012, 22:46

Photo's test van Merksteijn JR 2012 WRC Germany (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=193/)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/vmtest2012/VMTEST2012RS001a.jpg

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/vmtest2012/VMTEST2012RS053.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/vmtest2012/VMTEST2012RS033.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/vmtest2012/VMTEST2012RS070.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/vmtest2012/VMTEST2012RS024.JPG

dimviii

15th August 2012, 08:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yB12nwESi0&feature=player_embedded#!Test Citroën DS3 WRC / Thierry Neuville - Nicolas Gilsoul / Baumholder [HD] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yB12nwESi0&feature=player_embedded#!)

dimviii

16th August 2012, 09:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxAxqOF2bE&feature=player_embedded

dimviii

16th August 2012, 09:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwSlLIcbhCE&feature=player_embedded

dimviii

16th August 2012, 13:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2gk8H5XfPw&feature=player_embedded#!

dimviii

16th August 2012, 14:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2gk8H5XfPw&feature=player_embedded#!

jbmarcus21

17th August 2012, 12:04

Last Wednesday I was to Petter Solberg Test in Germany to prepare Rallye Wrc Deutschland 2012.

I make a video, you can watch it here Test Days Petter Solberg Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSv1Jq_VxJ4)

dimviii

17th August 2012, 16:33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx2uwxYv6mI&feature=player_embedded#!

dimviii

17th August 2012, 16:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5qklwy6chI&feature=player_embedded

hanjob11

17th August 2012, 19:45

Hello,

photos of todays testing of Ford with Solberg & Latvalla are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de/bilder/2012/test-ford/album-6/)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_ford_1976/album_6_1987/test_ford_leitzenberg_kh_052_20120817_1000861088.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_ford_1976/album_6_1987/test_ford_leitzenberg_kh_090_20120817_1837337561.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_ford_1976/album_6_1987/test_ford_leitzenberg_kh_043_20120817_1153947865.j pg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_ford_1976/album_6_1987/test_ford_leitzenberg_kh_022_20120817_1251399267.j pg

Karsten

dimviii

17th August 2012, 23:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrXuHzG7CgE&feature=player_embedded

rallysupportnl

18th August 2012, 18:40

Test Petter Solberg and J.M. Latvala Baumholder 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcHL_WiUf50&list=UUp0W3YWC2UfLpnmkRPQARZQ& index=1&feature=plcp

jbmarcus21

18th August 2012, 21:16

#WRC Full Gallery [PHOTOS] Chris Atkinson testing Rallye Deutschland Image (http://bit.ly/PF0mJ5)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9449/5494.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/5494.jpg/)

dimviii

18th August 2012, 22:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOTZQdHWTc&feature=player_embedded

dimviii

18th August 2012, 22:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx0xlExlUic&feature=player_embedded

dimviii

19th August 2012, 16:51

some nice photos from Atkos test.
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3923/dsc4894qr.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2858/dsc4902h.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9474/dsc4895u.jpg

hari

20th August 2012, 18:48

Atkinson and Nobre today testing in the vineyards:

http://www.ir7.at/2.jpg

http://www.ir7.at/17.jpg

hanjob11

20th August 2012, 19:09

Hello,

pictures of todays testing at Veldenz are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_veldenz_2000/album_1_2001/test_veldenz12_kh_051_20120820_1958787380.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_veldenz_2000/album_1_2001/test_veldenz12_kh_077_20120820_1186432935.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_veldenz_2000/album_1_2001/test_veldenz12_kh_200_20120820_1995227288.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/test_veldenz_2000/album_1_2001/test_veldenz12_kh_002_20120820_1849609005.jpg

Karsten