Farage v Clegg - EU debates.

[Malbec]

Countries like Canada, Australia and America have stricter rules on immigration and I think the UK needs to take note of this. If a person offers absolutely no value to the UK, then what is the incentive to support them for free?

It isn't possible to prospectively determine which immigrants will end up being productive and useful and which ones less so.

The countries you picked have all had very liberal immigration policies in the past, the USA more so than the other two. Much of their success is due to migration. Many American entrepeneurs, scientists and engineers were either first or second generation migrants with little to distinguish them from the rest. The ones who weren't so talented ended up providing cheap labour which helped America's industrial revolution that enabled it to first catch then surpass Europe. Even now legal and illegal migration from Latin America provides American industry at all levels with cheap labour that gives them an advantage, even if they are currently undercut by the Chinese.

Alternatively look at Japan, stagnating after decades, centuries of highly restricted migration. Even they are now looking at relaxing migration regulations to boost the economy.

Yes the British benefit system has loopholes. The amount 'wasted' on foreigners however pales into insignificance compared to that spent wrongly on UK citizens. The benefit system needs to be reformed, not the migration system.

I also find it amusing that British immigration figures include British citizens returning home after living for years overseas, finding that the drop in value of the Sterling since 2007 doesn't allow them to live in as much luxury as they are used to in France and Spain. Keep them out and the British migration problem is solved overnight

[Brown, Jon Brow]

For many people who are unhappy about their country or anything in society, immigrants are the easy, almost lazy target. It makes people feel better to think that foreigners are the cause of all of their problems and we would all be much happier if we shut the borders.

This is the politics not of people who believe in racial superiority or who are even overly patriotic, but the opinions of people who are politically illiterate. They worry about the effect foreigners might have on their lives because they are unaware that their job in the Nissan plant at Sunderland might be a direct result of Britain being in the EU.

[donKey jote]

Yes the British benefit system has loopholes. The amount 'wasted' on foreigners however pales into insignificance compared to that spent wrongly on UK citizens. The benefit system needs to be reformed, not the migration system.

exactly, and this is the case in pretty much every country.

[donKey jote]

I don't think anybody here thinks all the countries problems are down to foreigners so I hope that paragraph wasn't aimed at any one here in particular.

No, not aimed at anybody here, but certainly triggered in part by your post

[donKey jote]

EU immigration policies are actually protecting the UK and other countries of the North / Central Europe.

The ridiculous Dublin 2 regulation prohibits transfer of illegal immigrants from the country they entered EU area to other EU countries.

As as result, most of the burden falls on countries of South Europe, while other EU member states enjoy border protection for free.

ody aren't your special dawn people any good at controlling your borders ?
They should take a lesson from these donkeys:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26201013

[henners88]

No, not aimed at anybody here, but certainly triggered in part by your post

Well that's fine as long as you weren't suggesting I said anything of the kind.

[henners88]

Watch out Henners, Gadjo is feeling put out by your anti Romanian Rant

and Gadjo you better not come over here or Henners and his kind will get you.

(No offence intended to either of you )

I didn't say anything anti Romanian but am starting to wish I didn't contribute anything at all as only certain words in my posts are being read in order to form assumptions.

Alternatively look at Japan, stagnating after decades, centuries of highly restricted migration. Even they are now looking at relaxing migration regulations to boost the economy.

Yes the British benefit system has loopholes. The amount 'wasted' on foreigners however pales into insignificance compared to that spent wrongly on UK citizens. The benefit system needs to be reformed, not the migration system.

I get the impression people think I am anti immigration and this is something I have never suggested whilst explaining earlier on. I can't go through it again but urge you if you feel the desire to read what I wrote earlier in the thread.

Your second point was also a point I made earlier too. I said if the benefits system was reformed, it would solve much of the negative immigration issues we face. We have plenty of 'lazy Brits' (I said it again) who milk the system and in vaster numbers than immigrants doing the same. The government need to listen to the protest vote and see what a fair chunk of the population want concerning the benefits system rather than a worse outcome of the dreaded UKIP gaining any power.

[odykas]

ody aren't your special dawn people any good at controlling your borders ?
They should take a lesson from these donkeys:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26201013

Special? We call them Golden Eggs
They are just a bunch of useless uneducated mafiosos that unfortunately have gotten too much publicity from the media. A shame for the country.

As regards to immigration, there's no way to stop immigrants travelling by sea as their boats often wreck (sometimes on purpose), so the task for the coast guard is to rescue as many as possible Unfortunately, some of them do not make it....

[steveaki13]

I hear you Henners

Thats half the problem generally.

People see small quotes or one single opinion on the TV and suddenly everyone is a raging Racist.

Surely people reading these forums get the impression that Henners is a decent bloke and was hypothesising rather giving an opinion!
Not that he really said much in full.

[donKey jote]

Surely people reading these forums get the impression that Henners is a decent bloke and was hypothesising rather giving an opinion!

I'm one of those under the impression Henners is all in all a decent bloke. I mean this !

I simply take issue with quotes like this (an opinion, not a hypothesis):
"I just take issue with people moving here from poverty stricken countries for example because our state gives them £1000 a month in benefits, access to the NHS, and a free house to live in."
and simply think this is a pretty typical example (it was from Henners, but could just as well have been from anybody else) of grossly exagerating the negative aspects of immigration.