Farage v Clegg - EU debates.

[steveaki13]

Still refuse to call UKIP voters idiots. They are as much as party of your country to vote they way they want. We may not agree but as they say I defend their right to vote and respect them for actually being bothered to vote.

[henners88]

You can thank many of the recent documentaries on benefits and immigration for the recent votes I believe. They have highlighted huge loop holes in the system and people are sick of the cost of living going up and having to support spongers and people who arrive in the UK simply to milk the benefits system. It is a protest vote and the government need to tighten up or we could be stuck with an even bigger problem, UKIP in power. The vast majority of people are not educated enough with politics but will listen to simplified television if it shows something they don't agree with IMO.

Did anybody see the C4 documentary the other week with the Romanian chap who was claiming over £800 a month for his family, nove of which lived in the UK! He is able to claim because of a loophole and I am sorry but people moving to the UK who bring no value like that should be more tightly governed. Its not about racisim, its about protecting the economy and providing a system that works for people who need it. If people move to the UK with the intention of working, then its never a problem IMO. There is also a huge number of UK born citizens who have never worked a day in their lives and are also adding to this problem. UKIP have attractive pledges in this department and the government need to listen now or we could be in big trouble further down the line.

[Rudy Tamasz]

You can thank many of the recent documentaries on benefits and immigration for the recent votes I believe. They have highlighted huge loop holes in the system and people are sick of the cost of living going up and having to support spongers and people who arrive in the UK simply to milk the benefits system. It is a protest vote and the government need to tighten up or we could be stuck with an even bigger problem, UKIP in power. The vast majority of people are not educated enough with politics but will listen to simplified television if it shows something they don't agree with IMO.

Did anybody see the C4 documentary the other week with the Romanian chap who was claiming over £800 a month for his family, nove of which lived in the UK! He is able to claim because of a loophole and I am sorry but people moving to the UK who bring no value like that should be more tightly governed. Its not about racisim, its about protecting the economy and providing a system that works for people who need it. If people move to the UK with the intention of working, then its never a problem IMO. There is also a huge number of UK born citizens who have never worked a day in their lives and are also adding to this problem. UKIP have attractive pledges in this department and the government need to listen now or we could be in big trouble further down the line.

If the abuse of benefits is a problem with both citizens and immigrants, just cut the benefits across the board and make people work. It will sure help some people to get back to their senses.

[Malbec]

UKIP is the main reason why we can't have a reasoned debate on the EU.

I disagree.

The reason we cannot have a reasoned debate on the EU is because the press are largely not interested in presenting both sides with a significant segment concentrating on presenting negative images only. Also because the mainstream politicians are not prepared to risk displaying backbone and leading on this issue as they know that being pro-EU is unpopular.

The same is true of migration.

UKIP's popularity is merely the natural result of such one-sided press coverage.

[gadjo_dilo]

They have highlighted huge loop holes in the system and people are sick of the cost of living going up and having to support spongers and people who arrive in the UK simply to milk the benefits system.

But shouldn't those who are sick of it also remember that your country used to be the biggest colonist empire and milked the resources and cheap labor of countries that never invited them there?
In a free world we should be free to go and establish wherever we want as long as we respect the local laws. Personally I would be more than happy if a "certain" segment of our population will leave this place.

[henners88]

But shouldn't those who are sick of it also remember that your country used to be the biggest colonist empire and milked the resources and cheap labor of countries that never invited them there?

I don't think those of us who are tired of the 'current' situation need to remember that, no.
Its certainly not something I need to think about, let alone feel guilty about when judging how to vote in 2014. As Rudy says above I also think the benefits system needs to be revised so that it isn't as desirable to move here for that reason alone. We get a lot of people angry that Polish people are coming here to work and that is something I don't understand. If people want to come here and work hard in jobs that the more lazy Brits don't wish to do or take on positions that aren't the best paid but are willing to work hard for it, then good luck to them. They are contributing to the economy and providing a service. I just take issue with people moving here from poverty stricken countries for example because our state gives them £1000 a month in benefits, access to the NHS, and a free house to live in. I think that is the problem, not the people themselves. It needs to be tackled and is long over due IMO.

[gadjo_dilo]

I don't think those of us who are tired of the 'current' situation need to remember that, no.
Its certainly not something I need to think about, let alone feel guilty about when judging how to vote in 2014. As Rudy says above I also think the benefits system needs to be revised so that it isn't as desirable to move here for that reason alone. We get a lot of people angry that Polish people are coming here to work and that is something I don't understand. If people want to come here and work hard in jobs that the more lazy Brits don't wish to do or take on positions that aren't the best paid but are willing to work hard for it, then good luck to them. They are contributing to the economy and providing a service. I just take issue with people moving here from poverty stricken countries for example because our state gives them £1000 a month in benefits, access to the NHS, and a free house to live in. I think that is the problem, not the people themselves. It needs to be tackled and is long over due IMO.

Ha! So we're good only for the positions you don't want and are bad paid.... A good doctor or an engineer isn't welcome to your country because he'll get a good wage and compete you.......
Ahaaa.....now i get it.......
At the same time I also might be angry that our skillful labor leave the country and we have to cope with the "segment" I mentioned above.

I think you should take us as we are, with our good and bad parts. Never in history people migration was limited only to the "good" guys.

[henners88]

Ha! So we're good only for the positions you don't want and are bad paid.... A good doctor or an engineer isn't welcome to your country because he'll get a good wage and compete you.......
Ahaaa.....now i get it.......
At the same time I also might be angry that our skillful labor leave the country and we have to cope with the "segment" I mentioned above.

I think you should take us as we are, with our good and bad parts. Never in history people migration was limited only to the "good" guys.

I can't quite believe what I am reading here?!

You've completely misunderstood.

Perhaps you could explain where I have said only the bad positions are good for immigrants or where I have said well qualified people moving to the UK are unwelcome? I said totally the opposite didn't I ?!

[gadjo_dilo]

Yeah... I reckon I have difficulties in ubderstanding great Will's language but what else could I see in the following paragraph?:

"If people want to come here and work hard in jobs that the more lazy Brits don't wish to do or take on positions that aren't the best paid but are willing to work hard for it, then good luck to them. They are contributing to the economy and providing a service. I just take issue with people moving here from poverty stricken countries for example because our state gives them £1000 a month in benefits, access to the NHS, and a free house to live in. "

[henners88]

Yeah... I reckon I have difficulties in ubderstanding great Will's language but what else could I see in the following paragraph?:

"If people want to come here and work hard in jobs that the more lazy Brits don't wish to do or take on positions that aren't the best paid but are willing to work hard for it, then good luck to them. They are contributing to the economy and providing a service. I just take issue with people moving here from poverty stricken countries for example because our state gives them £1000 a month in benefits, access to the NHS, and a free house to live in. "

That was just one example I used at the lower end of the scale. The conversation was about benefits and the drain on the economy so I am hardly going to discuss skilled foreign contributors because I had already stated I have no problem with that. Doctor's, engineers, company directors from Poland, or Eastern Europe working in the UK don't generally claim benefits. You picked out one sentence and made an assumption without using the context of the discussion. I said repeatedly I have no problem at all with immigration as long as it contributes to the economy and isn't abused because it offers free living.

Countries like Canada, Australia and America have stricter rules on immigration and I think the UK needs to take note of this. If a person offers absolutely no value to the UK, then what is the incentive to support them for free? We have created the problem which I also previously admitted. I hope you now understand