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20th May 2013, 12:09 #1
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How good were D. Hill and J. Villeneuve?
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20th May 2013, 23:03 #2
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21st May 2013, 03:45 #3
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Originally Posted by henners88как могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю
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21st May 2013, 07:08 #4
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21st May 2013, 07:36 #5
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster.
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21st May 2013, 07:57 #6Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
By most accounts it was largely thanks to Damon Hill's testing work that the car was driveable. The car was highly unstable in the first part of the season - as seen by Senna's spin in Brazil.
He was also much better than Coulthard and Mansell, despite the latter being paid 3 times as much as Hill's annual salary per race.
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Hill also had some brilliant races. Suzuka 1994 was one of the finest wins under pressure you will ever see.
The countless times that Williams had extremely poor or even completely unnecessary pit-stops are overlooked by mostly everyone.
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Just because Schumacher was the most talented of them does not mean the other drivers were 'ridiculous' and did not deserve to win the titles they did.
Mika Hakkinen's first two wins were absolute gifts. He wouldn't have won the title without the fastest car either. His 1999 season was about equal with Damon Hill's 1995. He got beaten by Coulthard in all but one race they both finished in 2001. Does that make him ridiculous too?
Villeneuve's later career was pretty average but at no point did he have a front-running car beyond 1997.
As for the useless Monza comparison, Bourdais qualified fourth for that race and had his clutch fail on the SC start, losing a lap. He later set the second fastest lap of the race. Excellent as that win was, it was a front-running car that weekend. The fact that Massa, Kubica, Hamilton and Raikkonen started well down the field helped too.
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21st May 2013, 08:26 #7
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I remember watching races at the time and to me it often sounds unfair, when it is claimed that Villeneuve "showed nothing" once he was out of a top car. In my view his seasons in 1999-2000 in the BAR were absolutely fabulous. During that time a strong argument would have been made that JV was among the Top3-4 drivers on the grid. Yes, he scored zero points in 1999, but only because the car had atrocious reliability. Worse than any other car I can remember. However, JV was often challenging for points before retirements.
From 2001 he started going downhill a bit, struggling against Panis. But in his prime Villeneuve was very competitive.
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21st May 2013, 16:21 #8
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisasterPopular memory is not history.... -- Gordon Wood
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21st May 2013, 23:49 #9
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
I would not label any WC ridiculous, the rules are well known at the outset and there is no asterisk saying the winner had a vastly superior car.
JV accomplishments before he ever got to F1 are impressive enough, Indy winner and CART champion, when CART really could be mentioned in the same breath as F1.
He is in stellar company as winner of 2 of the 3 Graham Hill Triple events (WC, Indy500, Le Mans) He was the last man with a realistic chance at achieving this, and though he didn't I can't see anyone else doing so either.
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22nd May 2013, 16:52 #10
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Then the whole team has the upheaval of Senna's death, the legal aspects etc.
Not to mention the fuel flow irregularities, option 13, launch etc that the Benetton had..........Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
Great that Kopecky finally has some competition in the Czech Championship, Barum should be mega!
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