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2nd February 2013, 21:57 #11
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I am surprised that after such a long time of waiting van der Garde has finally made it into F1 as well. His sponsors have been patient enough, I have to say then. Well, more patient than the sponsors of other drivers, who have already dropped out of F1 without finding the necessary funding (Petrov among them).
But overall I don't expect the Dutchman to accomplish more than hanging around for 1-2 seasons at best. Before it is his turn to run out of money, when the sponsors get bored (read: they realize their driver has already peaked).
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3rd February 2013, 08:51 #12
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Originally Posted by jens
Giedo is a solid driver and proven that in every championship he competed in, he could become a di Grassi, but he could also become a Webber or Irvine. Only time will tell!
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3rd February 2013, 19:08 #13
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Originally Posted by lars75
I would be very surprised if a top team hires him like Webber or Irvine. Or does that mean the financial crisis will be so deep that the whole grid will be in need of paydrivers then.
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3rd February 2013, 20:28 #14
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What ages where Webber and Irvine before they made their debut at F1? What did they win in the feeder series before F1?
He drove with lesser materials in the same series and made quit an impression to become former Renault en Mercedes young driver by talent and not by budget.
The only season that he had the same material as Hamilton and Vettel it was an disapointment indead. His biggest achievement that year was pole position at the Masters of Formel3 at Zandvoort. Wit a faillure at the start and a strong race he became runner-up behind diGrassi if i'm wright.
In the GP2 his first year he made a good impression to. He was through out the year the better over Perez in their second season at GP2 with Barwa and a year later he was the top contender with Grosjean up untill Belgium in 2011, with leading the first few races untill Bianchi hit him several times. After that he was second in the standing up untill Monza. People that say that pic had the better of him in 2011 are not aware of the treu facts.
He ain't a Hamilton or Vettel, but he is surely capable of a nice career when everything is comming in place for him this once.
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3rd February 2013, 20:41 #15
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Originally Posted by lars75
In GP2 van der Garde was in top teams in 2009-11, but didn't make much of an impression. From what I remember, Pérez beat him convincingly in 2010. People rate Pic higher, because he was significantly less experienced at the time.
I am sorry, but van der Garde hasn't even accomplished what Valsecchi has managed - finally win a GP2 title after hanging around forever. And Valsecchi is hardly someone you would expect to set the world alight in F1. Sure GvdG has some solid results, but he has had such a huge experience advantage over most of the field that it would be strange if he wasn't in Top5 with that.
He has had a solid career in feeder level, but F1 is a higher level. I don't expect drivers, who have spent a decade in feeder categories without standing out, to shine at that level.
In any case, I have significantly bigger hopes on the other Dutch driver Robin Frijns. He has been rising up the ranks really fast and been right at the front of the field immediately in anything - a sign of an adaptable driver and a potential future star. Let's see, what comes out of there.
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3rd February 2013, 22:54 #16
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Originally Posted by jens
But he lacks in the political dept. aka he has a big mouth that he shoots off frequently.
Giedo is more experienced at that and off course he has a billoinaire father in lawtifosigirl
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4th February 2013, 03:33 #17Originally Posted by lars75
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4th February 2013, 10:08 #18
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Originally Posted by jens
The 2011 season he was the top contender of Grosjean for the whole season, with leading the championship the first half of the season. Bianchi is to blame that he lost some very expensive points that made him lose the championship in the first place, but also cost him the points to stay second after a disapointing weekend at Monza.
Just looking at the standing doesn't tell the complete story about the potential of a driver!
When I loke at the feeder series I see some talented young drivers but they didn't win much so far!
Boys like Magnussen, Ericcson, Abt, Kvyat, Melker, da Costa, Bianchi, Bird, Colado and many more I believe wouldn't be a shame for F1.
Some people name Bianchi and Bird as tallented young drivers and can tell with dry eyes that vd Garde is not tallented enough. Winning is a good standard for talent, but it isn't the only standard I believe.
But the Dutch hopes are on Robin Frijns, de Vries and Verstappen for the future of F1.
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4th February 2013, 19:34 #19
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If I'm being cynical, I reckon Caterham are throwing all their weight into the 2014 car when the regs change. Therefore there's no point in paying a good driver to drive an average car for 2013, when they'd be better off getting as much money in as possible from a "pay" driver and trying to make a leap next year. The only gamble is whether they can nick 10th off Marussia again - but they've only got one contender for the position now rather than two last year.
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4th February 2013, 21:46 #20Originally Posted by christophulus
Great that Kopecky finally has some competition in the Czech Championship, Barum should be mega!
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