Serial killers

**Knock-on** · 29th February 2012, 12:24

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I don't know.
In Minn. we have had a rehabilitation system for sexual predators for twenty years.
In those twenty years, the only one that was released to society, raped again so... hell just execute them.

Why to you write such Bull that you're naive to think wont be challenged. It wasn't even a credible lie because it was obviously made up.

Abstract

Using a retrospective quasi-experimental design, this study evaluates the effectiveness of prison-based treatment by examining recidivism outcomes among 2,040 sex offenders released from Minnesota prisons between 1990 and 2003 (average follow-up period of 9.3 years). To reduce observed selection bias, the authors used propensity score matching to create a comparison group of 1,020 untreated sex offenders who were not significantly different from the 1,020 treated offenders. In addition, intent-to-treat analyses and the Rosenbaum bounds method were used to test the sensitivity of the findings to treatment refuser and unobserved selection bias. Results from the Cox regression analyses revealed that participating in treatment significantly reduced the hazard ratio for rearrest by 27% for sexual recidivism, 18% for violent recidivism, and 12% for general recidivism. These findings are consistent with the growing body of research supporting the effectiveness of cognitive-behavioral treatment for sex offenders.

The impact of prison-based treatment on sex offend... [Sex Abuse. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

**Bob Riebe** · 29th February 2012, 19:40

Originally Posted by Knock-on

Why to you write such Bull that you're naive to think wont be challenged. It wasn't even a credible lie because it was obviously made up.

The impact of prison-based treatment on sex offend... [Sex Abuse. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

Because it was among past news.

Release Planned for MN Sex Offender Who Molested 29 Boys
KSTP.com - 5 days
Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program. In the program's 19 years, one other man was freed with conditions in 2000, but was taken back into custody on a violation.

Why do you bother to post with such ignorance, unless you are saying the Minn. news casters are all lying. (Maybe I should not of have said rape, as newscasters no longer call rape-rape, or sodomy-sodomy. The only time one hears rape nowadays is if some dork 18 year old gets suckered in by a sixteen year old dressed like high class hooker,)

OH yes, the reason it is in the news, is they are thinking of releasing another one and the parents of the person he committed the crime against are fighting like hell to keep him locked-up even though technically his sentence is over, plus the State of Minn. is trying to figure out what to do with all these sex criminals who technically have served their sentence but are not going to be freed.
Many are calling for life sentence for the crime as that solves the problem of incerated people who have already served the worthless sentence.

OH yes this article say nineteen years but the one the other day said twenty.

**Garry Walker** · 29th February 2012, 22:29

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I don't know.
In Minn. we have had a rehabilitation system for sexual predators for twenty years.
In those twenty years, the only one that was released to society, raped again so... hell just execute them.

To make things clear, I support the execution of all sexual predators. As for their rehabilitation - even if one of the "rehabilitated" is released who committs another crime, then the program is a failure and the risk far too great.

**BDunnell** · 29th February 2012, 23:18

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

To make things clear, I support the execution of all sexual predators.

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.

**Knock-on** · 1st March 2012, 12:16

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Because it was among past news.

Release Planned for MN Sex Offender Who Molested 29 Boys
KSTP.com - 5 days
Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program. In the program's 19 years, one other man was freed with conditions in 2000, but was taken back into custody on a violation.

Either you are being purposely evasive and try and skew the facts or you really do believe what you write. Whether you're being dishonest or stupid doesn't matter because you are obviously wrong.

You claimed Minn. has had a Rehabilitation system for 20 years and the only person released has raped again and been taken back into custody. What you are talking about is the Commitment program which is a highly contentious scheme. Actually, the scheme itself isn't that contentious; in the UK we call it sectioning. However, some states use it to to remove swathes of criminals such as serious sexual criminals and incarcerate them indefinitely.

Minn. has in fact many different schemes and strategies for dealing with all types of offenders as I detailed and there is overwhelming evidence that these are much more effective on convicted sexual offenders than incarceration only.

Please re-read what you claimed and what I posted.

As for indefinitely sectioning the most serious sexual deviants, I think that is a very valid option but it must be used in proportion. I believe that the onus should be on the innocent in these matters and if there is a realistic chance that a serious sexual criminal will re-offend, then the public should be protected. However, you can't just make up facts otherwise it devalues the whole case.

**Knock-on** · 1st March 2012, 13:37

Originally Posted by BDunnell

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.

Or can be sexual predators but commit non-sex related crimes as this 51 year old MP (allegedly)

Eric Joyce accused of assault in Commons bar 'had affair with teenage schoolgirl 32 years his junior' | Mail Online

Sorry Ben, I checked the Morning Star, News Line, The Guardian etc but they weren't running the story so I had to quote the Mail. They were publishing stories about the Murdoch's though

**Garry Walker** · 1st March 2012, 17:33

Originally Posted by BDunnell

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.

Obviously, we cannot control the thoughts of people, but rapists and child molesters have only one place where they should go - to the gas chamber. No second chance.
But hypothetically if someone, let's call him ben, had a sexual desire for 7 year old boys, but never acted out those fantasies in any way (that includes downloading child porn), we couldn't lock ben up (even though ben would so deserve it)

**donKey jote** · 1st March 2012, 18:30

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

let's call him ben

^ troll alert ^

**BDunnell** · 1st March 2012, 19:22

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Obviously, we cannot control the thoughts of people, but rapists and child molesters have only one place where they should go - to the gas chamber. No second chance.
But hypothetically if someone, let's call him ben, had a sexual desire for 7 year old boys, but never acted out those fantasies in any way (that includes downloading child porn), we couldn't lock ben up (even though ben would so deserve it)

Hilarious!

**Bob Riebe** · 2nd March 2012, 00:05

Originally Posted by Knock-on

Either you are being purposely evasive and try and skew the facts or you really do believe what you write. Whether you're being dishonest or stupid doesn't matter because you are obviously wrong.

You claimed Minn. has had a Rehabilitation system for 20 years and the only person released has raped again and been taken back into custody. What you are talking about is the Commitment program which is a highly contentious scheme. Actually, the scheme itself isn't that contentious; in the UK we call it sectioning. However, some states use it to to remove swathes of criminals such as serious sexual criminals and incarcerate them indefinitely.

Minn. has in fact many different schemes and strategies for dealing with all types of offenders as I detailed and there is overwhelming evidence that these are much more effective on convicted sexual offenders than incarceration only.

Please re-read what you claimed and what I posted.

As for indefinitely sectioning the most serious sexual deviants, I think that is a very valid option but it must be used in proportion. I believe that the onus should be on the innocent in these matters and if there is a realistic chance that a serious sexual criminal will re-offend, then the public should be protected. However, you can't just make up facts otherwise it devalues the whole case.

You either have a reading problem or simply cannot stand being wrong.

Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program.

I also said Maybe I should not of have said rape, but as the Minn. laws are in a state of cluster-f because the fact a released sexual offender in Dakota raped and murdered a women, it is a minor error if it is one.

Now babble on but you just make yourself look silly.
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I do believe that the fact that statuatroy rape is treated the same as violent rape and child molestation is sickly pathetic, especially as this is partly and probabbly mainly self-righteous ass-holes using it to get re-elected.