British policy of multiculturalism is a failure, contributing to Islamist extremism

[markabilly]

or so say the British PM.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41444364...ld_news-europe


I thought it was a bit odd for the country to start recognizing the Islamic courts, as some sort of official judicial body, but beyond that.......

Was it not bDunnel that we said we europeans have this thing about not being "paranoid morons"???

[donKey jote]

"we europeans" apparently doesn't include your wannabe poodles

do you have a link to the UK recognizing islamic courts?

[markabilly]

what? The UK PM wants to be a poodle??
I thought he just wanted be a white knight or something and wear a white robe.

Learn something new everyday.


as to the other, do your own searching, but here is a few....

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...nife-youths.do


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-binding.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sed-doors.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4749183.ece

Thought the court thing a little odd, but I grew up in multiculturalism (and i mean several cultures), and yet to meet a real islamic extremist....but hey, just cause you are paranoid, does not mean that they are not actually out to get you....

[Tazio]

What an idiotic statement (the PM's). It sounds like something a Nazi would say. As far as I can tell that policy is the same one that idealistically America claims to always use. Being a law abiding citizen is not mutually exclusive with people holding on to some ethnic traditions. Every large city in the US has a Chinatown, little Italy, and many others that are not prominent enough to have gained a logo. In East San Diego (city limits) there is a very prominent Somalian community. I may not agree with the policies that brought them here, but I have no reason to think these people pose a threat to anybody else. As far as I can tell they are behaving in a manner that is consistent with all ethnic immigrants, or refugees.

B@st@rd Redneck Americans that have no interaction with these people yet supported the foreign policies that caused these people to be displaced telling me they constitute a problem. How ignorant, racist, and selfish is that?

[GridGirl]

I can't comment on the this is London article and both Daily Mail articles should quite frankly be ignored. The Times article was interesting but it appears that Sharia law as such is only being applied to civil cases. Its almost akin to a religious version of Judge Judy.

Can you provide some more recent articles? Three related back to 2008 and the earliest to June 2009.

[Daniel]

Yet more evidence of Cameron's epic dingleberriness.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Daniel, I don't think he is condemning respecting other cultures, but when people arrive on your shores to start a new life, it would be nice if they didn't bring all the hatreds and bitterness to help tear yours down...and I think that is where Cameron was going. That mindset is pretty much the sentiment of most Canadians right now too. We embrace other cultures, but when you start knocking Canada, you are on VERY thin ice now...

[DexDexter]

Daniel, I don't think he is condemning respecting other cultures, but when people arrive on your shores to start a new life, it would be nice if they didn't bring all the hatreds and bitterness to help tear yours down...and I think that is where Cameron was going. That mindset is pretty much the sentiment of most Canadians right now too. We embrace other cultures, but when you start knocking Canada, you are on VERY thin ice now...

The problem is people are people and they will always think their way of life is the way to go even if they move/immigrate to another country which embraces them with open arms. I'm like that, you're like that, it's just that for us Westerners religion isn't as important as it is for people from cultures/countries which are not so well-off and that creates problems.

[markabilly]

Grid girl, the articles, and there are many, you can google yourself, but it seems clear that Islamic law is now govverning a big part of the activities in your country.

Meanwhile, try to spin and excuse as you wish, but the words speak for themselves, and it seems the German PM and the British PM are both saying the same thing:

http://news.ph.msn.com/top-stories/a...mentid=4623380

"What I mean to say is that for years, for decades, the approach was that integration was not something that needed to be addressed, that people would live side-by-side and that it would sort itself out," Merkel said in November.
"This turned out to be false."

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Bri...#ixzz1DG0Gt2ut

The response, he argued, should be "a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism".
"A passively tolerant society says to its citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It stands neutral between different values," he said.

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of British Muslim welfare group the Ramadhan Foundation, added: "Singling out Muslims as he has done feeds the hysteria and paranoia about Islam and Muslims."

but as dunnel said, we europeans have this thing about not being paranoid morons...well my oh my...if Bush had said such a thing, it is easy to imagine all the bloody outrage around here, name calling and such.....

as to this Islamaic court deal or people wanting to maintain their cultural differences....it is clear that the PM is saying, time to put some "muscular liberalism" to work, no more of this "passive tolerance" mokin:






and now from tje former PM, John Howard of the "down under" on october 2010, has joined ranks, says

"This is a time not to apologize for our particular identity but rather to firmly and respectfully and robustly reassert it," he told the Heritage Foundation, a think-tank in Washington.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/For...#ixzz1DG5QaXdM

[Dave B]

Grid girl, the articles, and there are many, you can google yourself, but it seems clear that Islamic law is now govverning a big part of the activities in your country.

We've had this come up before, and the "Islamic" courts you refer to are actually panels of community elders who make non-binding (but generally respected) rulings on civil matters and on domestic cases. Now, one might argue that should a domestic case involve violence it should be dealt with by the police. But consider that most cases collapse long before they ever reach court, it's actually better that the community deals with them than the legal system sweeping them under the carpet.

The only failure of multiculturalism was this crazy notion that we're all the same. When I were a lad (and we used to have to cycle 20 mile up t'hill for t'Hovis) this stupidity was forced on us with the result that we didn't make the effort to learn about the subtle and not-so-subtle differences between our races. When it turned out that there were cultural and religious differences, as is only natural, we were ill-placed to understand the nuances which led to a culture of resentment.

If we accept, nay embrace, the differences and make efforts to understand each other then "multiculturalism" is fine and dandy for all concerned.