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29th December 2010, 23:06 #1
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PT vs JV?
Several questions regarding opinions on Paul Tracy and Jacques Villeneuve. Just trying to promote some conversation.
Which one is currently the better driver?
Which one would you choose given a fully funded opportunity?
Would the signing of either make more of a "splash" than the other?
Would either have a championship shot outside of a Penske or Ganassi ride?
Which one would have the most chances of becoming the most hated driver in the series?
In 2012 which one overperforms in an underdeveloped package?
Feel free to add questions...
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30th December 2010, 12:03 #2
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Which one would you choose given a fully funded opportunity?
JV said himself he could have been in the Lotus ride last year (and subsequently be promoted to Group Lotus F1 team this year!!), but he refused.
Would either have a championship shot outside of a Penske or Ganassi ride?
Which one would have the most chances of becoming the most hated driver in the series?
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30th December 2010, 13:40 #3
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Not quite on topic, but I was impressed with JV's Nationwide outings this season. Less so with his V8 Supercar effort, it must be said...
Comparing the two is hard. I like PT as a racer, but can't help thinking perhaps now is the time to step down gracefully? That's not to say he can't still do it, but I think he's at that point where he's going to start being perceived as someone who can't let go, and part time rides aren't going to help with that. For the record, in terms of single seaters, I feel exactly the same way about JV. I'd like to see both of them involved on the team side, but not in F1 in JV's case, as he'd be on a hiding to nothing.No longer active on this forum
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30th December 2010, 16:28 #4
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Personally I would much prefer to see PT in an Indycar over JV, and I think PT has much more desire left than JV, however I think both need to face reality and bow out of the full time open wheel cockpit gracefully. JV is starting to remind me of Verstappen to be honest. I fully believe most of the rumors about JV in a race seat are simply to make the seat more attractive to ride buyers than an honest desire to put a washed up former champion in the car. If Schummi did so poorly, Villeneuve wouldn't have a prayer. Does anyone REALLY want him in the cockpit after this long? Granted JV has Indycar and F1 championships to back his arrogance, but he's way better in his mind at this point than in reality. I don't think anyone really HATES PT anymore. He's sort of become a Darryl Waltrip in Indycars. A guy many truly disliked, but somehow become the old veteran people root for and end up liking because of his brashness. I just can't see PT owning a team he didn't drive for. To me, JV is simply a driver of the 1990's. LOONG past his shelf life.
IMHO, it's time for both to take up racing Sports Cars and maybe one off Indy 500 rides. I do think both would still be legimate contenders in a top ride at INDY.HINCHTOWN!!
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30th December 2010, 17:05 #5Originally Posted by hornet
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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30th December 2010, 17:25 #6
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Originally Posted by garyshell
As for PT vs JV, at this stage give me PT. After those years at BAR, JV lost something. His last few years in F1 were forgettable.
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30th December 2010, 17:42 #7
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30th December 2010, 21:10 #8
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PT has had a couple of decent one-offs with KV.
I thought about the old guard vs new talent thing too. But, it's a give and take situation. I'm pretty sure nobody wants a revolving door of rookies like CCWS in its last few years. And I for one would take a veteran of PT caliber over 99% of the guys we've seen come and go.
This year there's a good rookie class who have been grown in the AOW ladder system. Hopefully the best of them will stick around a few years.
I believe JV still has some in the tank too, at least on the Road Courses. A 2nd place finish in LeMans isn't easy too come by...
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30th December 2010, 22:53 #9
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Both are WAY past their primes. I am not sure why anyone in Indy Car would still want Tracy to begin with. If he doesn't buy his ride, nobody probably would.
I'd choose neither now. Give me Andrew Ranger and Robert Wickens any day, all day.
Tracy was never as good as some think anyway. Especially at Indy (you take 2002 out, where he was nowhere all month and pulled a rabbit out of a hat on raceday and the guy has a awful record in the only race in Indy Cars that truly matters.) Last year was a complete embarrassment, somehow being one of the 3 drivers who started the month in rides to not make the race.
Villenueve was a natural at Indy and would have won the race multiple times, had he stayed in Indy Cars.
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31st December 2010, 02:43 #10
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Originally Posted by Scotty G.It isn't the car Danica...it is the space between the steering wheel and the seat.
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