Israel refuses peace negotiations

[Eki]

No wonder airshifter believes that the UN Security Council resolutions gave the US a permission to invade Iraq. The resolutions and statements of the UN in general are so vague that anybody can understand them like they want:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...d-calls-probe/

After an emergency meeting and marathon negotiations that lasted nearly 12 hours, the 15 council members finally agreed on a presidential statement. It was weaker than what was initially demanded by the Palestinians, Arabs and Turkey because of objections by the United States, Israel's closest ally.

The Islamic nations had called for condemnation of Monday's attack by Israeli forces on the flotilla "in the strongest terms" and "an independent international investigation."

But the presidential statement that was finally agreed to and read at a formal council meeting instead called for "a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards." And it only condemned "those acts" that resulted in deaths, without naming Israel.

Mexico's U.N. Ambassador Claude Heller, who took over the council presidency from Lebanon at midnight, said "impartial" meant "independent" and that Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has the responsibility to organize the investigation. He also said it was clear the condemnation referred to the "excessive force" by the Israeli military.

The Palestinians' Mansour said almost all the members of the Security Council support Heller's interpretation. He said the Palestinians and Arabs would press the secretary-general to pursue an independent investigation.

[Bob Riebe]

"For it is a fact, is it not, that had Europeans (and yes, the Turks are Europeans, are they not?) been gunned down by any other Middle Eastern army (which the Israeli army is, is it not?) there would have been waves of outrage."

That is a lie; there would have been war, period.

The analogy is bogus as how many people were killed by rockets and terrorists in West Berlin?

[Eki]

The analogy is bogus as how many people were killed by rockets and terrorists in West Berlin?

Probably about as many as in Israel, i.e. not many.

[Bob Riebe]

Probably about as many as in Israel, i.e. not many.

Do you practice making obtuse statements or is it a natural talent?
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Here is the number who killed trying to escape INTO West Berlin:

"More Than 1,100 Berlin Wall Victims


More than 1,100 people died trying to escape the former East Germany, according to new research by a prominent victims group presented Tuesday ahead of the 44th anniversary of the building of the Berlin Wall....

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1673538,00.html

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A partial death toll of those killed by Palestinian muslim murders:



Too hard to find out how many were killed by rockets but dead is dead.
The muslims do not care how they murder, with the homicide bombers being proof positive.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...orism+sinc.htm

[Eki]

Do you practice making obtuse statements or is it a natural talent?
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Here is the number who killed trying to escape INTO West Berlin:

"More Than 1,100 Berlin Wall Victims


More than 1,100 people died trying to escape the former East Germany, according to new research by a prominent victims group presented Tuesday ahead of the 44th anniversary of the building of the Berlin Wall....

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1673538,00.html

VS

A partial death toll of those killed by Palestinian muslim murders:



Too hard to find out how many were killed by rockets but dead is dead.
The muslims do not care how they murder, with the homicide bombers being proof positive.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...orism+sinc.htm

Wow! They killed 3 in 2007! That's almost a third of those peace activists Israel killed yesterday. Can you now show a similar diagram of those who Israel have killed meanwhile? Palestinians and others. I remember that in 2006 they killed 4 UN military observers in Lebanon, including a Finn, in addition to hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese civilians.

[Rani]

Wow! They killed 3 in 2007!

Not for a lack of trying, though. Even today 2 armed terrorists tried to pass into one of the kibbutzes and go on a killing spree. I'm so sorry we have found ways to deal with terrorism and don't get killed enough for you Eki.

People being killed in delf defense while being lynched is different to firing rockets at population centers, bombing busses filled with children, and how could I forget Samir Kuntar, Lebanon's national hero who killed a 4 year old girl by smashing her head against a rock with the butt of his rifle. Some hero. None of my heros have done that.

[Eki]

Traffic alone kills about 400 people in Finland every year. I wonder why the police isn't out there trying to kill the motorists.

[Bob Riebe]

Wow! They killed 3 in 2007! That's almost a third of those peace activists Israel killed yesterday. Can you now show a similar diagram of those who Israel have killed meanwhile? Palestinians and others. I remember that in 2006 they killed 4 UN military observers in Lebanon, including a Finn, in addition to hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese civilians.

So, what is your point?

You prefer hundreds murdered every year to single digits- brilliant.
U.N. observers- put yourself in harms way and bad things can happen.
If the muslims were not murdering people they would not be there, or if the palestinian hypocrites would just take back Jordan.

[Eki]

So, what is your point?

You prefer hundreds murdered every year to single digits- brilliant.

No, I'd prefer Israel using force proportional to the threat, now it's excessive. Or better yet, send home the first generation immigrants, withdraw from the occupied territories and give the vacated land back to the Palestinians so that they can found an independent Palestine.

[Bob Riebe]

No, I'd prefer Israel using force proportional to the threat, now it's excessive.

They are.