Newey or nothing?

[Mia 01]

I think Maclaren in the long term are doomed whitout Adrian Newey.

The MP 22 & 23 was an evolution of his design. The MP 24 & 25 are dogs moore or less. No new WCC whitout Adrian I fear, when was the last time, -98?

For now Adrian works for that awful drinks company, and their cars are beating the **** out off the MacLaren team. Even if they have the new Senna in the team nothing seems to help.

Ron should call Adrian right now, perhaps he then can save the team.

[DazzlaF1]

I think Maclaren in the long term are doomed whitout Adrian Newey.

The MP 22 & 23 was an evolution of his design. The MP 24 & 25 are dogs moore or less. No new WCC whitout Adrian I fear, when was the last time, -98?

For now Adrian works for that awful drinks company, and their cars are beating the **** out off the MacLaren team. Even if they have the new Senna in the team nothing seems to help.

Ron should call Adrian right now, perhaps he then can save the team.

Yes he was a big loss to them when he defected to Red Bull in 2006 but you cannot just blame that for the problems that have occured since, after all, in 2008 they proved that they can build and develop a decent championship winning car without him.

Plus its too early in my view to dismiss this year's McLaren as a "dog", its won 2 races so far this season out of 6 and took a dominant 1-2 finish in China to boot.

[driveace]

The Red Bull is still streets ahead of any thing else,and the renault is a surprize too.So Mac need to up their game,because if they dont the Red Bull will be over a second a lap quicker,rather the 6 hundreths quicker,that it is now!

[I am evil Homer]

Maybe they'll allow Merc to upgrade their engine like the FIA allowed with Renault...funny how Renault powered cars seem to be doing so well now...

[SGWilko]

The Red Bull is still streets ahead of any thing else,and the renault is a surprize too.So Mac need to up their game,because if they dont the Red Bull will be over a second a lap quicker,rather the 6 hundreths quicker,that it is now!

All in good time. The Red Bull is an evolution of the 2009 car which, even without the DDD and a weezing motor was pretty nippy.

All change next year, no more evolution, no more DDD, possibly the return of KERS.

Red Bull never incorporated KERS into their cars, and I would guess that Newey will have a headache or two packaging that and keeping it cool......

Lets just see who develops the quickest this year.....

[Saint Devote]

I haven't noticed the Woking mechanics running around shouting Albatross just yet!

[SGWilko]

I haven't noticed the Woking mechanics running around shouting Albatross just yet!

They might do that on a weekend, but wait until you are not looking....

[Saint Devote]

They might do that on a weekend, but wait until you are not looking....

Damn, never thought of THAT - I overlooked that Ron's organization is so organized!!!

On the other hand - Lewis seems to forget that in the heat of the racing moment over the RADIO.

[fandango]

It seems very strange that an aerodynamicist can have so much influence on whether a car is a winning car or not. I mean, when you think about it, the problems in F1 regarding overtaking are because of aerodynamics (the following car in the dirty air and all that) are well accepted, and yet we have a situation where there is an engine development freeze and a single tyre supplier (= very little tyre development).

So if, for example, Ferrari want to catch up with Red Bull, they can't do it by strapping on a new engine with more power or improving their tyres. They have to improve their aerdynamics. Would not make more sense to have an aero freeze? Or better yet, let the teams decide which element they will freeze at the start of the year...

[Saint Devote]

It seems very strange that an aerodynamicist can have so much influence on whether a car is a winning car or not. I mean, when you think about it, the problems in F1 regarding overtaking are because of aerodynamics (the following car in the dirty air and all that) are well accepted, and yet we have a situation where there is an engine development freeze and a single tyre supplier (= very little tyre development).

So if, for example, Ferrari want to catch up with Red Bull, they can't do it by strapping on a new engine with more power or improving their tyres. They have to improve their aerdynamics. Would not make more sense to have an aero freeze? Or better yet, let the teams decide which element they will freeze at the start of the year...

The whole argument involves aerodynamics - problem is unless there is an outright banning of aero, which would destabilize the cars and make them extremely risky to drive, the only way is to do it in current fashion.

"Problem" is that there are such brilliant people working in f1 that they will innovate.

And if reducing aero is achieved, how is it policed? There are people that have put forward what appears to be sound hypotheses, however it is in the theory and finally application that the true result will be known.

By then its too late because the cars are built and it is set at least for an entire season. I dont see a way out of this. Formula One is the way it is.

Let the teams decide?! I think we went through that argument in 2009