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Thread: European Rally Ladder
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29th November 2009, 16:34 #11
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Originally Posted by rally-erc.com"
It's a pitty so many drivers neglect ERC: they all want to step up to WRC. Would be great if some Belgian drivers would drive ERC, like they did in the past and were successful!Post your own splits on the net: find RallyStopwatch on the Google Play Store.
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29th November 2009, 18:34 #12
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Originally Posted by morganmilanhttp://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!
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29th November 2009, 20:29 #13
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Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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30th November 2009, 17:13 #14
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IRC is "private" idea, ERC is by FIA. I hope they will coexist. The best way to kill IRC is to let it be totally controled by FIA (look at ERC).
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7th January 2010, 07:31 #15
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Trasfered from the ERC 2010 thread
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Maybe;
Layer one: Regional cup: 4-5 rallies
Layer two: ERC - the x best from each region - 3 rallies with different surfaces
Layer three: IRC or SWRC
Layer forur: WRC
Would it be an idea to limit classes allowed in layer 1 and 2 to for instace only R-class to keep cost down ?
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7th January 2010, 16:26 #16
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Good idea, but I believe it would be enough with R cars at first level, and S2000 and N4 in the ERC. regional cups could be North, East, Southeast, Central and West or Atlantic. Perhaps six to eight rallyes in each one, and ten in ERC with tarmac, gravel and snow (in regional cups where possible). Two best rallyes from each regional cup could count for ERC. Regional cups only for 2WD and ERC for all cars but WRC ones. Does it sound good?
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7th January 2010, 16:30 #17
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The ERC has been around a lot longer than the WRC (RallyBase has champions listed from 1953) and I believe the advent of the WRC took away much of the kudos of winning the ERC. Over the years the ERC developed a system of coefficients where higher status events gave more points than lower status events. This was rationalised a few years ago so that only the coefficient 20 events counted for the ERC & the lower graded events were separated into the regional cups.
Rallying has always allowed any competitor with the correct licence to compete on an event & has never had licence upgrading requirements above the basic International licence. If you want to enforce a ladder then you would need a higher licence for a WRC event than for ERC or BRC. You might finish up with only a handful of WRC licence holders, would it be worth putting on a WRC event for only 20 cars? F1 & racing in general might be able to live with this but I'm not sure that rallying can.
Restrictions based on the class of vehicle are already in place to some extent. WRC cars are not permited in the ERC or BRC. If you were to restrict further then the ERC & Cup competitiors would look silly on event where non-championship entrants could use N4 & S2000 cars. If you stopped locals from entering unless they had an R class car you wouldn't have enough entries. I don't believe that there's enough money in rallying to support a ladder, there's barely enough to keep going as it is.
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Originally Posted by Steve Boydhttp://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!
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10th January 2010, 12:45 #20
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Originally Posted by morganmilan
Just to confirm my fears about the number of competitors... Do you know how many drivers entered JWRC 2010? 4. Four! Can you imagine?http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!
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