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19th October 2009, 17:28 #11Senior Member
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They had a contract with Toyota which they broke...so..
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19th October 2009, 17:49 #12Senior Member
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Apparently Williams were offered a preferential development deal with Cosworth - whatever that means. Maybe the engine will be tuned more to suit the Williams car than the other new teams - and it's a benefit for Cosworth because they can start testing sooner than waiting for the new teams to build their cars.
It's a sensible choice, mainly because the FIA will go to great lengths to ensure the new teams are kept competitive, and as a by-product Williams end up with a progressively stronger engine.
Plus, Cosworth are independent. Apparently Renault were stalling on a deal because both teams were interested in Kubica, so Renault were allegedly using the engine as leverage to make sure Williams didn't sign him up.
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19th October 2009, 19:24 #13Senior Member
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interesting. Williams' season next year just got unpredicatble, more so than we previously thought. Either the cossie will be a complete lump and stay like that, or their development thing will be used to their advantage, not to mention lotus', campos' and manors as well.
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19th October 2009, 20:40 #14Senior Member
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I doubt very much that Cosworth could narrow the gap to the top engine makers and close four years worth of development with the resources they have, especially since their last engines were not that competitive. The power gains Mercedes and Ferrari especially have made even with the engine freeze are quite impressive.
Originally Posted by Sonic
Cosworth aren't going to develop the engine on charity money, they'll calculate what profit they can make from the engine deals and tailor their development investment to suit. Given that the Cosworth engine deals are supposed to be cheap in line with the FIA engine cost proposals that isn't going to be a large amount of money. Manufacturer backed teams on the other hand....
Williams are in a poor position financially, I hope they aren't choosing this engine out of desperation.
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19th October 2009, 22:21 #15Senior Member
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to be honest, if I were to rank the engines right now in terms of quality it would be:
#1 Mercedes
#2 Renault
#3 Toyota
#4 Ferrari
#5 BMW
whatever deal Williams are getting with cosworth is going to challenged by the other teams, engine suppliers and new entrants who will be now getting a diminisehd product to the benefit of williams. Also especially if rumors are true and the fia is going to do the ridiculous thing of asking Mercedes to tune down the engine.
It is another sad day in F1 where now the FIA is looking to create artificial parity to the detriment of the sport.
If they just got rid of that engine freeze nonse4sne and allowed teams to develop what they want, you would see a natural parity come to place without all this nonsense.you can't argue with results.
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19th October 2009, 22:52 #16Senior Member
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If all the teams have agreed for to this 'cost cap' then we don't need an engine freeze.
Teams can have 1 of 3 things:
1. an amazing engine and an aerodynamically limited car
2. amazing aerodynamics and a poor engine
3. a mediorce engine and aero
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20th October 2009, 02:07 #17Senior Member
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Cosworth have basically had a year to work on the engine and still have more time. I do not think any of us have a clue as to what kind of power they are getting.
What the FIA do regarding rules may go in a new direction after Fri. depending on the results of the election.
If it is Ari I expect considerably less rule changes without proper consultation.
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20th October 2009, 04:44 #18Senior Member
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no matter what they do , on its own the engine will not be as good as the mercedes, renault toyota or ferrari. And if the FIA chooses to make them more powerful, then the teams will protest. This is not F1 to limit the capabilities of some while promoting others, especially ones that the FIA have aligned themselves with in a feeble attempt to create a single engine supplier mickey mouse series.
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
If history is any indication then the cosworth will be what it always is. A serviceable engine, with many reliability issues that is no match to the top 4.you can't argue with results.
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