JPM

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You are right, he is not in the same league with Robbie, Robbie is better

a few races does not a champion make

as to limited experience, jPM has spent well over three years running almost every weekend in Nascar races........and he usually manages to run at times in the top ten....but most Nascar drivers can say the same thing, thanks to pit stops and such.

finishes is a whole different matter

example: 2007 51 starts, one win on a road course...29th place finish in points

now running the earnhardt ganassi team, not a slouch team at all

just like when he ran cart, he was with a team where the driver should be winning, except he is not

andretti ran only a few races in nascar, had only one victory, the Daytona 500

Different era, we're now in the multi-car team era.

JPM had top 30 car in plate races with Ganassi, now a top 5 car thanks to DEI.

2nd at 2007 Brickyard 400, could've won the race with another 10 laps.

DEI had been on a downhill slope. A lucky win for Jr last year!

Christ, even JPM is beating Martin Truex Jr in points right now.

[markabilly]

Different era, we're now in the multi-car team era.

JPM had top 30 car in plate races with Ganassi, now a top 5 car thanks to DEI.

2nd at 2007 Brickyard 400, could've won the race with another 10 laps.

DEI had been on a downhill slope. A lucky win for Jr last year!

Christ, even JPM is beating Martin Truex Jr in points right now.

Not saying he is doing bad, just that he ain't in Clark, Andretti or Gurney league......never has been and never will.

as to different eras, oh yeah, those guys raced where the driver made all the difference. Put those guys in an average car and you had a contender for the top spot.

Put an average driver in the very best car, and you had an average result

Nowadays, everything is much, much different.

average driver in a great car that suits his tyle, is a contender or near contender.

great driver in an average or worse car, is an average or worst result....and then there is data acquisition which when used right by a great engineer can cure many deficiencies in driving......back then the driver had to cure his own problems, make changes or drive around the problems based on his own skill..

and JPM is specializing, he is not doing F1 in addition to the irl and flying back and forth to do the occaisional F1 race all at the same time....

[Tazio]

You are right, he is not in the same league with Robbie, Robbie is better

a few races does not a champion make

as to limited experience, jPM has spent well over three years running almost every weekend in Nascar races........and he usually manages to run at times in the top ten....but most Nascar drivers can say the same thing, thanks to pit stops and such.

finishes is a whole different matter

example: 2007 51 starts, one win on a road course...29th place finish in points

now running the earnhardt ganassi team, not a slouch team at all

just like when he ran cart, he was with a team where the driver should be winning, except he is not

andretti ran only a few races in nascar, had only one victory, the Daytona 500

You old meanie

He's "9" in the chase. His team mate has abandoned him, with his butt thoroughly whipped
(not that anyone would follow his Columbian @$$ out of line to form a bump, and draft, and you know)draft thingy's :.
The good ol' boys always get help when they break file. Juan has to be in the right spot to fall in. becuse early on if he has some speed and pulls out,
there aint no freakin' help for his feriner @ss!
You're as bad as the rest of them ol' boys!

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and JPM is specializing, he is not doing F1 in addition to the irl and flying back and forth to do the occaisional F1 race all at the same time....

Errr... that was the point I originally made. We're in the era of specialisation but JPM has shown talent to be competitive in any race car which was my original point.

Doing it and hopping off one continent to the next every week is a different story...

[markabilly]

Doing it and hopping off one continent to the next every week is a different story...

but that was my point re about them and why i think what i do...jpm has spent three years almost exclusively, to try to be now number 9 in points...with just one or two victories...those guys just went from one different race to another, back again, and won

[Tazio]

but that was my point re about them and why i think what i do...jpm has spent three years almost exclusively, to try to be now number 9 in points...with just one or two victories...those guys just went from one different race to another, back again, and won

I don't care! about that part of the thread! You come off as a nay sayer in regard to JPM's acomplishment in NASTY CAR I'm not defendind him against any of the great multi-disapline drivers. So carry on bashing him! :
And I'l keep out of the negativity that this, like every other thread eventually has.
Give the man his props!

[markabilly]

Errr... that was the point I originally made. We're in the era of specialisation but JPM has shown talent to be competitive in any race car which was my original point.

Doing it and hopping off one continent to the next every week is a different story...

What is wrong with me, how could i forget? I fussing over Andretti clark and so forth, but being a motorcycle race nut.....I forgot someone who might be a match for even andretti, and never got the PR he deserved, but jumped from two wheel champ to f1 and a wdc very quckly obtained, built his own race car that won a gp, and who had to bury a son this week......

[Tazio]

What is wrong with me, how could i forget? I fussing over Andretti clark and so forth, but being a motorcycle race nut.....I forgot someone who might be a match for even andretti, and never got the PR he deserved, but jumped from two wheel champ to f1 and a wdc very quckly obtained, built his own race car that won a gp, and who had to bury a son this week......

A latter day Nuvolari!

[race aficionado]

Well, you guys that know me know what I feel for my fellow Colombian JPM.

I am a blatant JPM fan that got hooked on his talents of F1 and am now following him in NASCAR.

It's been a great learning curve for both Juan and I.

Juan gets better and better on each race and I am learning to enjoy all the different types of oval tracks. And of course when the 2 road courses come they are the best specially when you see Juan navigate himself through the other cars with that heavy bouncing car of his.

Those guys are nuts and seeing them race that close together and at those speeds is awesome.

For me the trick to enjoy the race is to record it - that way I can fast forward through parts of the race that may get boring, specially with the length of the races. I can even start recording it on the same day that I view it but start watching like an hour or two after it has started and I just catch up with the race.

Some things bug me like the yellow cautions that come from nowhere or getting screwed if you pit at the wrong time and then a caution happens but that's part of the NASCAR circus.

Juan is having a ball, he's climbing up the ranks and he's showing the good ol' boys that this latino has big balls and can race those heavy clunkers to the front.

Juan is a true racer and one of the best in the business. Period.

Go JPM!!!
mokin:

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I don't care! about that part of the thread! You come off as a nay sayer in regard to JPM's acomplishment in NASTY CAR I'm not defendind him against any of the great multi-disapline drivers. So carry on bashing him! :
And I'l keep out of the negativity that this, like every other thread eventually has.
Give the man his props!

Markabilly has his own opinions and I respect them enough for it to contribute to an enjoyable discussion without having to take cheapshots.