Saudi King wants Obama to impose peace

[Hondo]

King Abdullah wants Obama to impose a Middle East Peace plan by, I suppose, leaning on Israel.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...40143320090607

Tell you what King, I'm really tired of everybody and their brother bitching about the USA and what they do or don't do in the Middle East so why don't you impose a peace plan yourself? You and the entire UAE have grown rich and comfortable getting others to fight your battles for you. You have your own army. Use it. You know what your and the other Arab armies are actually worth in the field don't you? When Saddam invaded Kuwait, you couldn't get US troops on your common border fast enough. Your troops would probably have outrun Kuwait's troops. Look at the speed at which the coalition removed Saddam from Kuwait. Look at the speed at which the US and it's allies removed Saddam from control of Iraq. Look at the durations of all the Arab-Israeli wars. Note on the '73 war. Yes Israel got aid from the USA but had already begun turning the battle before signifigant aid rolled in. Not to mention the opposite side was equipped with top of the line Soviet stuff. The Syrians even had night vision. The Arab armies got whipped on tactics and the fact that Egypt should have held their positions and told the Syrians to stuff themselves. Egypt was the only country that really gave Israel a run for their money and now have a peace treaty with Israel, along with Jordan, and these treaties seem to be working.

Look at the Iraq-Iran war. What, 8 years or so in duration and nobody gained anything. I suppose you could argue that was a Persian-Arab war but you get the general drift. Assuming you could talk Obama into stopping aid to Israel, you still couldn't take them down. Even without the USA, there will still be plenty of nations willing to sell them arms and the Israelis will put them to good use.

If they ever take the handcuffs off of oil production at home, you'll find we have plenty here and don't need to be dependant on your's or anybody elses. You may shake up Europe with your oil games, but we can ride them out if we wish. Iran is becoming a concern because you clowns have allowed them to become a concern. It has nothing to do with Palestine.

Do something for yourselves for a change. It's your neighborhood, not mine.

Maybe you could start by figuring out what Islam is for, and what Islam is against.

[markabilly]

I say impose peace by massive use of the neutron bomb, so the oil will not glow in the dark

[Roamy]

Amen to the fine above posts !!!

[Eki]

Do something for yourselves for a change. It's your neighborhood, not mine.

I agree. The US should leave the Middle East and leave Israel on their own.

I don't understand why Americans have such a strong interest in Israel, when only about 2% of the Americans are Jewish. Is it because the Jews have far greater influence on American economics and politics than their overall share? Or is the US just using Israel as an excuse to meddle with the Middle Eastern affairs?

[steve_spackman]

Is it because the Jews have far greater influence on American economics and politics than their overall share? Or is the US just using Israel as an excuse to meddle with the Middle Eastern affairs?

Both!

[Hondo]

I agree. The US should leave the Middle East and leave Israel on their own.

I don't understand why Americans have such a strong interest in Israel, when only about 2% of the Americans are Jewish. Is it because the Jews have far greater influence on American economics and politics than their overall share? Or is the US just using Israel as an excuse to meddle with the Middle Eastern affairs?

Beats me. I read the other day the US is going to give Pakistan $1 billion in aid for their fight against the Taliban. I'd bet for $500 million you could put together a private military force that could defeat the Taliban and Pakistan both.

Too many people think if the USA would stop their support completely then Israel would go down. That won't happen. There isn't an Islamic force out there with the balls or training to take them down. I dare say that without US intervention, Israel would be holding more territory than it does now.

[steve_spackman]

I dare say that without US intervention, Israel would be holding more territory than it does now.

In a way i would have to agree with you.

[steve_spackman]

I dare say that without US intervention, Israel would be holding more territory than it does now.

In a sense yes!

[Mark in Oshawa]

I agree. The US should leave the Middle East and leave Israel on their own.

I don't understand why Americans have such a strong interest in Israel, when only about 2% of the Americans are Jewish. Is it because the Jews have far greater influence on American economics and politics than their overall share? Or is the US just using Israel as an excuse to meddle with the Middle Eastern affairs?

It of course wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that America loves an underdog, and in 1947, Israel WAS the underdog. Just as they were during the Sinai war, the 1967 conflict and the Yom Kippur conflict in 1973. They may not be the underdog in Your eyes...but there is one nation in that area that has a true democracy, has freedom of the press and counts maybe 7 million citizens. Their oppoisition usually has them outnumbered 10 to 1. If the Arabs TRULY think they can take on the Israeli's, let them do it straight up and get this over with.

You know the truth tho Eki.....you just conveinently ignore it. The Arab nations in this part of the world are far more harsh and cruel towards their own people and are bigger jerks than any war hawk in the Kniesst. Of course....you keep up your fictions and fairy tales. Adolf Hitler would be proud to know guillable anti-Jew thinking still survives in the civlized world....

[Camelopard]

Yes israel is a true democracy if you are jewish.....

In other threads I've posted many links to how the Palestinians are treated in israel and I've also seen it with my own eyes, you guys just conveniently ignore the fact that israel can do anything it wants.

As for america supporting the underdog? really that one does make me laugh! The shah was the underdog in 1953? Batista was the underdog? Saddam the underdog? Here's a new one, Somoza was the underdog!

Have any of you visited this site? http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp

Also have any of you actually visited Israel and seen for yourselves what is happening there? I guess in particular I'm asking you Mark.

The last comment about hitler being proud is typical of the usual response that is given when anything israel does is criticised. Why can't there be dicussion on how palestinainas are being treated now without any reference to ww11, hilter or anti-semetism.

There are many things I don't like about lot's of countries, just because I disagree with some of the policies from india, pakistan, russia, japan etc, doesn't make me anti-hindu, anti-buddhist, anti-muslim, anti-catholic or anti anything else...... I would just like to see fairness for all.....


Just one of the stories that happened this month.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Testi...ihya_Sideh.asp

’Imad tried to get away from the stone-throwing settlers, but he couldn’t because there were dozens of them. After going a few meters, the vehicle stopped, and we got out. The settlers moved back a bit. Then we saw an Israeli-army jeep parked on the left side of the road, about twenty meters from us. When the soldiers saw us get out, four soldiers got out of the jeep and aimed their weapons at us. ‘Imad and some of the laborers shouted, in Hebrew, that we had injured persons, and asked for first-aid. The soldiers didn't care. They continued to shout at us: “Get away from here.” When the settlers saw the soldiers force us to leave, they continued to throw stones at us and shouted at us, in Arabic and in Hebrew, ”Death to Arabs.” We had to get back into the vehicle. Shaker ‘Atiyyah Sideh was hit in the face while we were outside the vehicle.