Bernie warns of possible McLaren ban

[jjanicke]

Although the topic is about McLaren getting banned I already see people dragging MS in the conversation. Is it too hard for you MS haters to leave MS alone?

Look it's very simple: YOUR HERO LIED. And actually he did worse: HE COULD NOT CARE LESS HAVING JARNO BEING THE LIAR. And there is more: if Lewin and McLAren would have not been caught lying and cheating AGAIN, do you think that YOUR HERO would later on actually come out with the truth? Let me help you with the answer: NO!! McLaren and Lewis would have left Jarno and Toyota look like THEY were the cheaters. Hey, that might be still ok with you, not for me though. I don't live by those rules.

Please leave MS out of this and stick - if it's not too hard for you guys - to the topic. And if you don't like the topic well......just don't write anything.

It's perfectly appropriate to bring MS into this story, just as Honda with their fueltanks. MS was unquestionably a repeat cheater and not nearly as much was made of it by the FIA. The difference however was that MS often acted alone (Hill, Monaco) whereas Mclaren have repeat cheated as a team. It's a tough call, but expulsion from the '09 season seems unreasonably stiff IMO.

[ioan]

It's perfectly appropriate to bring MS into this story, just as Honda with their fueltanks. MS was unquestionably a repeat cheater and not nearly as much was made of it by the FIA. The difference however was that MS often acted alone (Hill, Monaco) whereas Mclaren have repeat cheated as a team. It's a tough call, but expulsion from the '09 season seems unreasonably stiff IMO.

Another MS hater back on his favorite game!

[555-04Q2]

It's perfectly appropriate to bring MS into this story, just as Honda with their fueltanks. MS was unquestionably a repeat cheater and not nearly as much was made of it by the FIA. The difference however was that MS often acted alone (Hill, Monaco) whereas Mclaren have repeat cheated as a team. It's a tough call, but expulsion from the '09 season seems unreasonably stiff IMO.

FFS, give it a rest already!

Everyone in F1 cheats, drivers, designers, management etc from blatant on track incidents, to statements made to the design of cars, to tweaking rule interpretation and many more.

Time to move along now...and I hope Mac dont get banned.

[pino]

MS has nothing to do with this, so if you want to talk about him, go to Nostalgia Forum and start a thread there, but keep him off here, thank you !

[Valve Bounce]

I wonder if we can beg the question: [I]'Is it possible to admire Michael Schumacher, but still have an opinion that he cheated during his career?'

As I have stated above, if you hate SchM, wht not start another thread. This thread is to discuss something else.

[ShiftingGears]

I think a two race ban is the maximum punishment they will get.

[ioan]

I agree, although I hope they don't get a ban at all especially if it is delayed and conflicts with the British GP. I don't think the FIA would be that dull in hindsight.

Don't you worry, if they get a 1 or 2 race ban it will be over long before the circus arrives to Silverstone.

The FIA WMSC could also decide that they can't score points in 2 races, but that would merely have an influence on their championship standings given their poor form!
However a 2 race ban would have the same effect plus it would deny them around 3000 kms of running which they won't be able to use to develop their cars.

All points considered I think a 2 race ban would be a fitting punishment

[Rusty Spanner]

Could McLaren be banned for what has happened? Well the rules certainly give the FIA that power. Will they be banned? Unlikely.

Bernie loves to make provocative statements to the media and then grin, stand well back and enjoy all the free publicity. Same old same old.

[Knock-on]

Don't you worry, if they get a 1 or 2 race ban it will be over long before the circus arrives to Silverstone.

The FIA WMSC could also decide that they can't score points in 2 races, but that would merely have an influence on their championship standings given their poor form!
However a 2 race ban would have the same effect plus it would deny them around 3000 kms of running which they won't be able to use to develop their cars.

All points considered I think a 2 race ban would be a fitting punishment

Interesting points.

Personally, I think everyone's learned a lesson already and it isn't necessary to further penalise McLaren unless it becomes obvious that Davey and Lewis weren't working independant. However, if a further ban for 2 days is issued, I will not feel too hard done by because they are f**king idiots and I'm disgusted that they would try such a stunt. I expect more from them and they had better start delivering it.

If they do get a 2 race ban, it will mean they can save 2 engines though

[Valve Bounce]

Interesting points.


If they do get a 2 race ban, it will mean they can save 2 engines though

.............and some petrol too!