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    Well then, tied up with the fact that the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock are both Islamic sites, there are also some rather moot points that must be made about the Qu'ran:

    The Qu'ran endorses the Torah's assertation that the land belongs to the Jews:
    We (Allah) made a weak people (Israelites), inheritors of lands in both east and west - lands whereupon We sent down Our blessings. This fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy - Quran 7:137

    But it also suggests that they must be killed:
    Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) - Quran 2:191-2

    And Muhamed himself reiterated this:
    You Muslims must fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying...There is a Jew hiding behind me; kill him - Sahih Bukhari 4:5:176, 177

    So then, we have two groups of people who would both claim the land under religious grounds and one one them who are directed in their scripture to kill the other lot.

    And you think that there's a solution to this? Sorry, but I wager that this is impossible.
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    some people's idea of the truth:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7642586.stm
    באמת הלכת לגוגל לתרגם את זה? פראייר

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel
    To be fair if the Jews/Israeli's stopped poking the lion the lion would stop biting them.

    It took Northern Ireland a long time to stop terrorist attacks but they managed to do it and it didn't happen through military action.
    To be fair militant Islam has been a problem since long before Israel (or the United States of America) had even been thought of.

    And the difference with Northern Ireland is that while yes it was over religion, the Irish weren't willing to take their OWN lives in any attack, making them less dangerous. Whereas the new breed of terrorist is actually retarded enough to actually believe in the afterlife and 72(?) virgins and all that rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rani
    any unbiased confirmation? Israeli police sources??? The same Israeli police who proudly proclaimed that Olmert resigned because they were closing in on him? What happened to due process or is that an alien concept there?

    and happy new year

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    Quote Originally Posted by V12
    And the difference with Northern Ireland is that while yes it was over religion, the Irish weren't willing to take their OWN lives in any attack, making them less dangerous. Whereas the new breed of terrorist is actually retarded enough to actually believe in the afterlife and 72(?) virgins and all that rubbish.

    both the Israel-Palestine and Northern Ireland situations are over land, not religion.

    In fact the original Zionists were very secular in their beliefs. Even the most religious of Jews don't recognise the state of Israel because it wasn't granted to them by God, just taking the land is not what God intended.

    such a pity that so many have died over the centuries over a miserable city/theme park in Jersualem. can't see many people dying over Universal Studios.

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