pace-notes

[FrankenSchwinn]

STPR is possibly the last rally to be able to implement any sort of recce.

that's what i thought, and the rest i knew already, i'm not a newbie to the scene

for people who dont know STPR: http://www.stpr.net and check out my vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fsYNiimnI <- watch the dirty kid and then the "wall" of mud fly at us as a mitsu goes a little wide - 4:06min

[L5-&gt;R5/CR]

that's what i thought, and the rest i knew already, i'm not a newbie to the scene

for people who dont know STPR: http://www.stpr.net and check out my vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fsYNiimnI <- watch the dirty kid and then the "wall" of mud fly at us as a mitsu goes a little wide - 4:06min

That is Tom Lawless giving the dirt bath incase anyone was wondering/cares.

[relista]

I am very sorry to say in Serbia(Europe) we dont have any regs about recce.Competitors can do the recce as much and as long as they wish,some evin with the rally cars.

[Duby]

Greece 4 passes
Italy and CZ 3 passes
ERC goes along country and FIA rules
WRC 2 passes

Specific days and times , a marshall is keeping your time in and time out of the stage ( a reconnaissance form has to be in the car at all times). No back and forth inside the stage is allowed. No roll cage , mufflers , road legal tyres (in Italy ordinary radial tyres even on gravel stages and no engine protection), speed limits are checked and if found overspeeding you may get a time penalty(3-5min) or even exclusion from the event.

Check also the Supplementary Regulations of various events like
http://www.elparally.gr/2006/common/...egulations.pdf
http://www.barum.rally.cz/2006/soutezici/zu_gb.pdf
http://www.rally1000miglia.it/images...%20inglese.pdf
http://www.ypresrally.com/docu/reg.pdf
http://www.patricksoft.fr/Antibes/Re...Inter_2006.PDF .

those are all asphalt rallies .

is there any gravel rallies ?



thanks

[castor]

those are all asphalt rallies .

is there any gravel rallies ?



thanks

There is no differentiation between tarmac and gravel rallies.
At least not in Greece and Italy that I have some experience.

From my point of view , gravel rallies , could require less passages in order to maintain the road surface in a good condition.

[Duby]

o.k

is there any officall program of gravel rally from greece or italy that provide the nomber of passes in the stages ?
i mean like that you gave for the asphalt rallies ?


thanks

[castor]

Unfortunatelly I didnt find anything in English but if you go to this link http://www.csai.aci.it/csaiCms/Virtu...id=733&rif=DOC by the Italian Federation art 14.3.1 regarding RICOGNIZIONI (Recce) it says "al massimo tre passaggi per prova speciale" which means maximum three passages per s.s.

This is the general regulations for National rallies in Italy.

You can also check http://www.rallycostasmeralda.com/mo...gramma2006.pdf

"RICOGNIZIONI I concorrenti saranno suddivisi su due gruppi in base al numero di gara: gruppo A e gruppo B ricognizioni gruppo A dal n. 1 al n. 40 10 ottobre 2006 prove speciali 1.ma tappa dalle ore 09.00 alle ore 18.00 11 ottobre 2006 prove speciali 2.da tappa dalle ore 09.00 alle ore 18.00 ricognizioni gruppo B dal n. 41 al numero massimo 10 ottobre 2006 prove speciali 2.da tappa dalle ore 09.00 alle ore 18.00 11 ottobre 2006 prove speciali 1.ma tappa dalle ore 09.00 alle ore 18.00 Saranno consentiti esclusivamente 3 passaggi per prova speciale. Sarà vietato effettuare ricognizioni con vetture a trazione integrale anche disattivabile, fuoristrada e con pneumatici M+S o da neve, anche se in dotazione originaria delle vetture. Saranno vietati i collegamenti radio sulle vetture utilizzate per le ricognizioni e le vetture "staffetta" che precedono quelle utilizzate per le ricognizioni."

and http://62.149.231.75/rubiconecorse/s...egolamento.pdf

Both rallies are gravel.

In Greek there is the link of our NSA http://www.ethea.elpa.gr/news/closeup.php?id=184&cat=35 but it should look completely Greek to you (it is actually art 14.5)

[Rally Hokkaido]

In Japan, crew are allowed two passes for recce.
And they use their rally cars.
Before you all think this would allow some to use recce as practice,
there is one addition to the usual recce restrictions.
All cars must travel in convoy behind a zero car with the sweeper car at the end !

[Duby]

thanks for all the info.

i really would like to know how it goes in FRENCH rallies - both gravel and asphalt .


duby

[Iskald]

If they anyway pass once, I think it would be clever to do own notes, that way you learn to make notes.
To practise making notes else is not so difficult, you can do that driving with your co-driver what ever road.

To make your own pace notes based on one pass trough the stages only, is "an accident waiting to happen". I wouldn`t recommend that for anyone, because it is actually dangerous. And this sport is dangerous enough as it is without playing "russian roulette" with pace notes that you haven`t had the chance to check a second time through. It`s enough with one corner graded inaccurately, and then you are off - into the trees or rocks or whatever.

In Norway we have recce with two passes on every championship rally - and most other events also. A couple of compact tarmac events offer free recce, and some drivers actually tries to memorize the whole route when the stages are relatively short. But as aren`t allowed to do that in every rally, its really of no use. There are small margins between actually remembering every corner - and possibly forgetting one or two important ones.