"I feel your pain"

[stevie_gerrard]

I can understand the slow pace in qualifying, but this was unusual for the Honda in the race, as it normally gets slightly better than its qualifying position. It is a real shame, but i kinda agree that it's damage limitation for the rest of the season, try get some more points, then concentrate on the car for 2008.

[jens]

As Spyker brings out a new car for the Turkish Grand Prix, which should already have some significant Gascoyne influence, then Honda will have to work hard to escape from falling into the status of the worst team. :

[Storm]

It's a disgrace really... I would hope after seeing what happened today (Rubens in dead last and telling his team on radio that he was flat out and still couldn't catch Sutil) some heads have to roll.

[Mikeall]

Barrichello was only lapped twice which is uncharacteristically close for a Hungaroring race and you have to credit the likes of Sato, Vettel and Sutil for beating him in much lesser funded teams.

[wedge]

Jock Clear's words to Rubens as he watched his driver tool around in last place, while his team mate (who won this race last year!) sat on the sidelines after his car failed.

This after a qualifying session in which they'd have been better off staying in their hotel rooms.

How much longer can Honda, with all their money and all their pedigree, stay so far off the pace?

It's a criminal waste of two talented drivers. Argue all you like about whether Barrichello or Button has been the faster driver this year, but it's like two bald men fighting over a comb. There can't be much satisfaction in beating your team mate when the net result is you're 17th on the grid

Honda are getting their asses kicked by almost everybody, including their bitter rivals Toyota, and more embarrassingly by their old car in the hands of Super Aguri.

What needs to happen next? More money? Well they've got a tidy budget. More engineering talent? I simply do not know.

Pretty much a season to forget, same with McLaren last year.

There's team's out there who can't seem to build good cars consistently over a number of years, whether it be Honda or McLaren, to name but few.

These things happen. You take a gamble on a car design and hope its pays off. Again, McLaren being a good example. Year by year you're wondering whether they have the car to fight for titles or (by their standards) utter numpties by mixing it in the midfield.

[Valve Bounce]

I don't know if you guys noticed this, but ant was more than 20 seconds ahead of bunsen when the latter stopped.
Team Honda are being spanked by the driver who they fired two years ago and their former test driver driving last year's car raced by a budget team. It doesn't get any worse for Team Honda and it doesn't get any better for the two Super Aguri drivers.

[Mifune]

in a way its heartening to see the big manufacturer beaten by the little garagista as we had been led to believe that was very much a thing of the past, its really a fascinating example of what’s needed to succeed in modern f1, money sure , but there’s something about the management structure at Honda that doesn’t work, whereas the simplicity and necessity at SA are just whats needed.
maybe Honda should put Suzuki Aguri in charge of the works team.



yeah markabilly if you say it enough times it might start to become true

[scaliwag]

You start at the top. As team principal, Nick Fry has now presided over 3 designs that were slow out of the box. They managed to fix the 2005 and 2006 cars on the fly, but this year they can't tell which direction is up. And he hired the people who trying to use augers for helicopters.

Boot Fry first, then let a new principal decide the composition of the rest of the team.

ClarkFan

I couldn't agree more, Honda fired the man responsible for last years winning car, and replaced him with a motor cycle engineer, however Fry remains in place, in my opinion Honda need the best designer, whom ever that might be, plus a team principle that knows how to bring all the team elements together, perhaps Honda might start by replacing Fry with Brawn.

[BDunnell]

It's obvious to me. Bring back JV.

[AJP]

It's almost like Jock and Rubens where taking the pi@#....

They both know that it cant get any worse and that it aint going to get better quickly...

I feel sorry for them...