WRC mainclass from 2027

[Ferranis]

Desperation, that's what it is in WRC's case. The same flip-flopping desperation seen in WRX's downfall. And it will most likely end the same as with WRX

And that's what we lost because of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQWt-SVx2k

The 17 were perfectly fine rules, they could have build on that. Even made them "cheaper" by restricting the materials used / removing the center diff, you name it. But no. Must by hybrids now with plug-in, which everyone who had sense called stupid even then

[WRCStan]

This is comparing apples with oranges.

[Kenneth]

Summary of the Lead Time Pattern
WEC: 2.5 to 4 years of lead time.
F1: 1.5 years for chassis, 3.5 years for engines.
WRC: 1 year or less of finalized technical text (this part is confusing, as there was claims from teams, that the rules are still not locked or finalized).

Just for comparision, how are they treating WRC.

On paper, maybe. But you could easily do the same with F1. Because the final regulations weren't set until end of 2025, things were changing every time.

Well you know when engine regulations were finalised? Last week, in middle of first season of 2026 regulations.

It isn't really different from WRC27, it just looks like that, because F1 ruleset is much much longer than WRC27.

Also the LMDh argument is also totaly wrong, you can easily spin it: Why it took so long when LMH started to race in 2021? And LMDh was allowed from 2022? It's huge fail that these teams haven't started until 2023, isn't it?

LMH ruleset also got finalilsed in May 2020, not even a year before start of the season. And it was no small change, it completely fucked up concepts of Peugeot and Aston Martin, which even led to Aston Martin scapping the whole project (AM eventualy entered in 2025, but it's private effort, basically M-Sport Ford WRC situation).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

+ give it 2 years or so and we are back at 70 again (if 30 mill is even correct)

The type of car really does not matter at all to be frank. Toyota would spend 70 million on a Rally4 car.

Without a team cost cap - no dice for the other tuners / teams against Toyota

The other thing is comparing with a Rally2 Car doing the WRC2 Championship.

Currently a Driver only has to raise budget for 7 Rounds.

To compete with the WRC27 Cars (as expected in 2027) they'll have to do the full Championship. No Tuner or Driver will be able to fund this, so we're back to needing Manufacturers who still arent interested or ready.

[Ferranis]

The other thing is comparing with a Rally2 Car doing the WRC2 Championship.

Currently a Driver only has to raise budget for 7 Rounds.

To compete with the WRC27 Cars (as expected in 2027) they'll have to do the full Championship. No Tuner or Driver will be able to fund this, so we're back to needing Manufacturers who still arent interested or ready.

As if "cheaper" cars are not the solution (that was tried many times in the past, there were many regulation changes that "promised" cheaper cars)... FIA is beyond help

[deephouse]

M-Sport, the one with least budget mentioned that the price of a car doesn't matter. And as history tell us, any manufacturer competing did made a car no matter the cost. Of course they pull out of cost saving before, but that was always the case in some eras. They pull out also because of restructuring the company, bad results... But almost all made it clear, that the return of investment is the issue here. Sure there is one way to cut costs of cars, but that numbers will increase as always. What they did or are doing with return of investment? In media, coverage and story department? Nothing. They put it behind the paywall, worsen the coverage, ban ocasional bad words or critics against some company/organizators/FIA, stuck in the 80s with this long liasions and rallies and also with this uncertainity.

[WRCStan]

Also, what about the big mega building that Hyundai have?

[Ferranis]

Also, what about the big mega building that Hyundai have?

Not expensive at all, it's the cars that are too expensive, you know ^^.

But well, FIA might suceed to get more M-Sport's ("Tuner", lol) for a while (until they go bust). Great success!

[WRCStan]

Let Bullard speak and more will be clear. If he fails to 'attract manufacturers' or more accurately, deliver entertainment in WRC, there won't be a WRC for long. If the FIA took poor decisions, let's hear the better proposal or what they should have done instead. Very easy to complain, and it's been 1600 repetitive posts of it in this thread.

[wyler]

Also, what about the big mega building that Hyundai have?

that's a drop in the ocean, and it's not mandatory to have...