Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good advice. No specific WRC topic, what I could recognize.

What there has been is in "World Rallying" ...

https://www.rallyforums.com/forums/world-rallying.9/

[spark13]

If this site ever dies, maybe we could all migrate to another forum, like the following one ?

Bookmark this for possible future use:

https://www.rallyforums.com/forums/#...rld-rallying.3

It's way more modern and similar to other car forums I use.

Thanks for that, would be great if all active members will be able to join, as as it seems this forum can die in any moment.
I try to visit here every day and out of 10 attempts its works for me every 3 on average.
Still not giving up though =)

[WRCStan]

I don’t know why the forum has been giving me trouble lately, sometimes it says it’s unsecured because it doesn’t encrypt with https, in my 13 (next week) years on this forum, I’ve never had any sort of issues like that and from what I gather I’m not the only one?

It's been flawless for me since last week, very surprising because it's been awful for months before.

I posted on the Feedback section weeks ago but had no reply.

There's two spam posts in there too, I guess the report feature is broken even. PLuto?

[Rallyper]

What there has been is in "World Rallying" ...

https://www.rallyforums.com/forums/world-rallying.9/

From 2025-ish...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From 2025-ish...

Yes, strange.

I dont know anything about this forum but it just seems a waste that it's a functioning rally forum that's barely being used.

[ZoomanSP206]

I have a question for the technical experts here:

Back in the days, drivers would often use the Scandinavian flick to set up the car for a corner. It is often said that this changed when Sébastien Loeb introduced a cleaner, more racing-like style, which was faster and subsequently got adopted by the other drivers.

Now I was wondering: Was the cleaner style always the faster one, and people just didn't know better? Or was the Scandinavian flick actually faster for the cars in the 70's/80's/..., but less fast when used with modern-day rally cars?

If it is the latter, what were the changes that led to the advantage of the cleaner style? Would it be possible to undo these changes or introduce new regulations that lead again to an advantage of using the Scandinavian flick, without compromising safety?

[flat_right]

Cleaner style came with the technical development of the cars. There were several issues depending on how far back should we go. So there was turbo lag. Older systems were all or nothing. If a driver braked traditionally and dropped the RPMs, the car would have zero power on the exit for couple of seconds. By throwing the car sideways (or using left foot braking), drivers could stay heavy on the throttle to keep the turbo spooling while using the slide to scrub speed. It was fixed when they introduced Anti-Lag System (ALS) which came with group a cars (I think). Group b had this turbo lag issue.

Also diffs.. early 4wd was quite dumb compared to today. They often suffered from massive understeer (the car wanting to go straight). The flick was a way to force the car to rotate early so it was already pointed at the exit by the time it reached the apex.

Also the suspension was nowhere near what we have now. Tyres didn't have so much lateral grip.

So this faster style is mainly result of different technological advancements.

[WRCStan]

See also this thread from yesteryear, insight from user 'Pentti'

Huge flicks have gone because these silly motorbike gearboxes! You can,t skip gears any more in down shifts.

Which funnily enough I had randomly read only yesterday.

[Jewy46]

What there has been is in "World Rallying" ...

https://www.rallyforums.com/forums/world-rallying.9/

RallyForums was an Irish centered forum that was hugely popular in the late 2000/2010s.
It was brilliant and I used to log in there for all the rumours etc before joining here.

Nice to see it is still there but looks like it's rarely used now