2025 Race 24 - Abu Dhabi

[gm99]

Interesting hypothesis. The only flaw in your analysis is that those were better cars than the SF25. All of those cars won races. In fact, the Chinese GP, where Hamilton won the Sprint race, is along your thinking. The SF25 went downhill from that race on. This season tells us nothing about Ferrari's future, but it tells us a lot about how much they messed up by changing an already great car. So, unfortunately, your theory does not hold up.

It's not a theory, it's facts.
And the quality of the car is rather irrelevant when comparing team-mates, as by nature, they are driving the same car.

[Nitrodaze]

It's not a theory, it's facts.
And the quality of the car is rather irrelevant when comparing team-mates, as by nature, they are driving the same car.

Oh dear, then you go and say that. How can the quality of the car be irrelevant for a seven-time world champion seeking a car to win his eighth title. WTF

[airshifter]

I find it comical that the lack of accepting reality is even part of the discussion. Even more so when it results in questioning if others understand how the sport works. Reality is reality and what gm99 posted is nothing more than that. For the last 15 years incoming drivers have managed to beat their teammates at Ferrari. The level of performance from the car compared to the rest of the field doesn't matter, you have to beat your teammate first.

Lewis had a crap 2025. He might turn that around, he might not. But to place all the blame on the team when facts show the car wasn't nearly that bad is just avoiding reality. Lewis became the first Ferrari driver since 2014 to not score a podium, when his teammate scored 7 or them. That's fact, and continued attempts to twist things just show that some will avoid facts.

[Used to be Starter]

I find it comical that the lack of accepting reality is even part of the discussion. Even more so when it results in questioning if others understand how the sport works. Reality is reality and what gm99 posted is nothing more than that. For the last 15 years incoming drivers have managed to beat their teammates at Ferrari. The level of performance from the car compared to the rest of the field doesn't matter, you have to beat your teammate first.

Lewis had a crap 2025. He might turn that around, he might not. But to place all the blame on the team when facts show the car wasn't nearly that bad is just avoiding reality. Lewis became the first Ferrari driver since 2014 to not score a podium, when his teammate scored 7 or them. That's fact, and continued attempts to twist things just show that some will avoid facts.

To be fair, Lewis seems to have done reasonably OK during the race - mostly anyway. It's in qualifying that he seems to have lost his mojo. It's much harder to win when you are out in Q1 or Q2.

[Nitrodaze]

I find it comical that the lack of accepting reality is even part of the discussion. Even more so when it results in questioning if others understand how the sport works. Reality is reality and what gm99 posted is nothing more than that. For the last 15 years incoming drivers have managed to beat their teammates at Ferrari. The level of performance from the car compared to the rest of the field doesn't matter, you have to beat your teammate first.

Lewis had a crap 2025. He might turn that around, he might not. But to place all the blame on the team when facts show the car wasn't nearly that bad is just avoiding reality. Lewis became the first Ferrari driver since 2014 to not score a podium, when his teammate scored 7 or them. That's fact, and continued attempts to twist things just show that some will avoid facts.

A truly objective analysis would not align with what you call reality. Where we look at the driver trajectory compared to car trajectory with regards to gravitating towards championship-winning capability. Where the car has stagnated and progressively depreciated in relative performance, having a dig at driver performances is pointless. Since the situation is not representative of the true capability of the driver-car combination in a competitive trim.

If you say something remotely intelligent, you would get my full appreciation of what is said. So don't be upset if l disagree with your perspective if it is clearly not well thought through. As far as Ferrari goes, being the leading driver in bad car is pointless. It says nothing of what would transpire in a competitive car.

[airshifter]

To be fair, Lewis seems to have done reasonably OK during the race - mostly anyway. It's in qualifying that he seems to have lost his mojo. It's much harder to win when you are out in Q1 or Q2.

No doubt qually results hurt him quite a bit. His race pace seems to be more on par, but that lack of qually is hurting him badly on overall results.

Hard to say if it's just an age and losing the edge thing, but in earlier years he usually beat his teammates in qually. Alonso gave him a run for the money, Nico beat him at least once, but I think he and George were close until last year. So he's had off years, but for the most part has at least held his own against his better teammates, and beat the lesser teammates pretty much all the time. And Button as well.... I think Jenson managed to make up qually with race pace.

A truly objective analysis would not align with what you call reality. Where we look at the driver trajectory compared to car trajectory with regards to gravitating towards championship-winning capability. Where the car has stagnated and progressively depreciated in relative performance, having a dig at driver performances is pointless. Since the situation is not representative of the true capability of the driver-car combination in a competitive trim.

If you say something remotely intelligent, you would get my full appreciation of what is said. So don't be upset if l disagree with your perspective if it is clearly not well thought through. As far as Ferrari goes, being the leading driver in bad car is pointless. It says nothing of what would transpire in a competitive car.

What I called reality IS reality. There is no aligning with it, or not aligning with it. It is fact regardless of whether someone accepts it or not.

You can spit out all the trajectory, synergy, gravitating and representation of capability all you want. Facts are facts.

As for having a dig at Lewis, please quote where I did so.

As for your digs, I don't give a crap. I've made it clear long ago that I would have to value your opinion to be insulted by it. You can claim I can't make a remotely intelligent statement all you want, but your synergy and trajectory tell me your capability of representative posts is really low.

[Nitrodaze]

to place all the blame on the team when facts show the car wasn't nearly that bad is just avoiding reality.

Sorry, l don't care much about what you have to say about Hamilton. What l am critical of is claiming the car wasn't nearly that bad.

After the summer break, the SF25 was a native midfield car. It stank most of the time and was only marginally better than the Williams. It was the worst race car that Ferrari has produced in the last 20 years, I think. Like all the other midfield cars, it did not win a single race. This is what the reality you claim is based on. And you don't get why your comments are criticised.