WRC mainclass from 2027

[denkimi]

In Norway 97% of new cars sales is electric, so its wrong nobody wants it.
But, most people dont care, they still buy teslas in norway...

Yes. But only because they effectively made it illegal to buy other cars with subsidies and taxes.

[WRCStan]

Yes. But only because they effectively made it illegal to buy other cars with subsidies and taxes.

Yeah they have a zero emissions car sales mandate whilst being a very wealthy nation thanks to oil and gas. Imagine that lol. Oil and gas worth twice as much to Norway as all the exports that 85 million Germans can produce. Their trade surplus is worth $8,000 per person per month. Eurozone trade surplus is worth $37 per person per month, averaged to a year. UK runs a trade deficit by policy, as France, Finland and others. The wealth just isn't there in other countries, so yes, it's the prices for most ordinary people.

[Rallyper]

In Europe electric cars runs mostly on coal. You need to get electricity from somewhere, right? And that is coal, oil. It´s a bit hypocrisy running an E-vehicle and still think you contributing... A clean Euro 6 diesel run with HVO100 fuel could actually be a lot cleaner.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What about collision safety with only spaceframe and no real panels surrounding the bodyshell? Will the G-forces increase when hitting a firm object.

An ordinary bodyshell itself has zones mitigating g-forces, which I don´t really see a spaceframe has...

They say the new spaceframe with safety cell will be safer than the current Rally1 cars.

But they way we've recently seen doors, tailgates, full side panels etc fly off with light contact doesnt seem good to me either.

[speederbee]

In Europe electric cars runs mostly on coal. You need to get electricity from somewhere, right? And that is coal, oil. It´s a bit hypocrisy running an E-vehicle and still think you contributing... A clean Euro 6 diesel run with HVO100 fuel could actually be a lot cleaner.

Respectfully, I don't think this is true. I've looked at several sources and coal only amounts to about 12% of European electricity production, and that number has been steadily dropping.

Also. I am not an expert on this next point, but I suspect diesels are not as clean as you think. Sure maybe during laboratory tests in ideal conditions they can do okay, when the engines are new and properly maintained and driven efficiently (and sometimes when manufacturers cheat on the tests, eg dieselgate). But in real world conditions, when engines are old and/or cold, it's a different story. Where I live, diesels are rare, but when I visit places where diesels are common, the city air literally stinks of diesel fumes.

I have no agenda re: electric cars, I don't own one and I don't particularly want one, but I do feel obliged to try to correct misinformation. Anyone please correct me if I'm the wrong one here.

My source for the 12% is https://www.iea.org/regions/europe/emissions

[wyler]

eu power generators from mixed online sources:
Renewables (47.3% in 2024): The leading source, with significant growth from wind and solar, which combined often exceed nuclear output. (norway, iceland almost 100%)
Nuclear (23.4% in 2024): A major source, especially in countries like France, though its share is decreasing relative to renewables.
Fossil Fuels (29.2% in 2024): A declining share, primarily from natural gas (the largest fossil source) and coal.

[WRCStan]

Anyone please correct me if I'm the wrong one here.

I didn't check but I can believe it, zero emissions energy does a good chunk. I don't want to dwell on the off-topic but a good source for anybody interested in this is https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/...ifteen_minutes

[Kenneth]

Wow so this forum became boomer posting Facebook? Even if electric production were mainly from coal, which it isn't even remotely, it would be still cleaner.

The efficiency of coal plant + electric car is still much much higher than diesel engine.

[WRCStan]

More efficient ≠ cleaner. Coal is absolutely filthy stuff.

Anyone else struggling to get a doctors appointment? What is it with these people hey?