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    Could the 2027 WRC end up like 1981. Rothmans turning up with a determined driver (Vatanen), a proven car (the Escort Mk2) and sufficient sponsorship to do enough rounds.

    What could 2027 be like? Determined driver (with a private non-manufacturer sponsor) turns up with a proven Rally2 and takes enough points to win the driver's title?

    2027 - Hyundai pulls out, Toyota drivers with less powerful cars at the front lose time at gravel rallies, which lets others through on the leaderboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    What if they have to 'do wrc' in order to sell 'WRC2027'? It's been like this for 30 years.
    what u mean? lots of rally2/3/4 car manufacturers don't do wrc, they just sell to clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyler View Post
    what u mean? lots of rally2/3/4 car manufacturers don't do wrc, they just sell to clients.
    True lower down, but a manuf couldn't homologate a World Rally Car or Rally1 without also entering the manufs championship. That got some manufs doing a season or two just for the paper stamp, Skoda, Suzuki, Mini...

    WRC+ 2017- on took it further; privateers could only enter their own purchases through the corresponding manuf doing a full season.

    When the car is called 'WRC2027' why wouldn't they protect the championship in a similar way? Say to a manuf, if they want to profit from the industry, they have to pay the dues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    True lower down, but a manuf couldn't homologate a World Rally Car or Rally1 without also entering the manufs championship. That got some manufs doing a season or two just for the paper stamp, Skoda, Suzuki, Mini...

    WRC+ 2017- on took it further; privateers could only enter their own purchases through the corresponding manuf doing a full season.

    When the car is called 'WRC2027' why wouldn't they protect the championship in a similar way? Say to a manuf, if they want to profit from the industry, they have to pay the dues.
    i know, and that's why i said that, 'cause the business is not in the top tier championship now...

    manufacturers that only want a client service will stay with a "r5/rally2" business model, won't do wrc (aka top tier championship) and will sell car that can profit even with a cost cap of 350/400k. manufactures with aim in the championship (toyota, some tuners, maybe hiunday, m-sport?) will develop wrc27 car for the championship using more money than the cost cap, and probably not sell much of that (can a tuner other than m-sport support a 100+ piece business for selling? doubt it). toyota and hiunday will stay with current model, "rally2" for sale, "wrc" for top championship.

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    If the FIA want to shoot themselves in the foot then that is a good set up, but there's a pickle in your point. I get what you're saying about business models but Rally2 is going, to be replaced by 'WRC2027'. Nobody is buying Toyota and Hyundai Rally2s in 2033, because Rally2 won't exist. Where do those customers take their business? It's into this ultimately universal affordable car that'll go into all the championships. Possibly too, the same homologation could cover detunings and two wheel drives to replace Rallys3/4/5. Who knows, no reason why not. It's also possible to have a higher tuned WRC2027+ for WRC too, however it's not important now.

    What is important, is they haven't got either the willing manufacturers or willing promoter who choose to go around the world doing 14 rounds; thus we're in this thread talking about a necessary new car for WRC.

    Give them a reward for doing the WRC championship: homologation for a universal affordable rally car. Also give them a device to secure proper, business-like, investment from proper business-like funding sources: profit through that homologation. What flaw am I not seeing?

    Do you just sit back and hope somebody will want to do WRC, then sit back again and hope that they can get 'sponsors' to pay for it? Meanwhile, allowing businesses to profit off your industry, selling thousands of cars and drives, snatching customers from those willing teams doing your WRC championship? OK.

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