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  1. 8th June 2025, 09:09 #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    kinda like it has been the last 15 years. ogier just wins and the rest thinks of reasons why they don't.

    I always felt rovanpera has been overrated by many. he is good, among the best. but he has had the luck of a superior car and no ogier in equal machinery.
    the same for tanak, he was lucky that ogier went to citroen and not toyota in 2019.
    I’m willing to bet that Ogier wouldn’t have beaten Tänak in 2019 in Toyota.

    It’s still to this day the most dominant season in the last 6 years. Even Kalle in 2022 didn’t have such a numbers as Tänak in 2019. Overall points, stage wins and stage leads, both had 6 wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    kinda like it has been the last 15 years. ogier just wins and the rest thinks of reasons why they don't.

    I always felt rovanpera has been overrated by many. he is good, among the best. but he has had the luck of a superior car and no ogier in equal machinery.
    the same for tanak, he was lucky that ogier went to citroen and not toyota in 2019.
    Good that Tanak was in Toyota when Kalle and Ogier won 2020-2023 right..?

    If u start comparing cars, then compare everybody..
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    Just watching SS14 again. Some fantastic images from the helicopter up and over the hills. Plus being able to watch with pure sound it was close to rally perfection.
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    From live maps it seems like PS start order is same as all day today..?

    So WRC+ doesn't show wrc2 winner on allLive?

    Fantastic
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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeR View Post
    From live maps it seems like PS start order is same as all day today..?

    So WRC+ doesn't show wrc2 winner on allLive?

    Fantastic
    Very wise PS order, cuz wrc2 has a massive fight dow here. So making condition more equal - its good
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    Incredible insight from commentators - Apparently this is a man-made road
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    Tyre info for PS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeR View Post
    From live maps it seems like PS start order is same as all day today..?

    So WRC+ doesn't show wrc2 winner on allLive?

    Fantastic
    Because of service and no time for regruop
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    Horrible driving from Fourmaux on PS. All over the place and missing the lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    the same for tanak, he was lucky that ogier went to citroen and not toyota in 2019.
    Only. Ott is having the same pace on Wartburg (called Hyundai) right now as Seb on Ferrari (sorry, Toyota).
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