WRC mainclass from 2027

[deephouse]

They could open and have it all, and then all manufacturers have conditions to get involved. You know when thing is restricted, there is always one, which can't get involved, because they don't sell that shit, the WRC offer.

[mknight]

It is hilarious when people here argue about how much of a fire hazard batteries in EVs are and then suggest using pressurized hydrogen instead.

[saco0o]

It is hilarious when people here argue about how much of a fire hazard batteries in EVs are and then suggest using pressurized hydrogen instead.

hehe true, tho at the same time, 99,9999% of both motorsport and 'road' incidents with fire in the whole history of "cars" were caused because of petrol, so...

[mknight]

To me it seems that at WRC level most fires are caused by hot exhaust parts getting into contact with either vegetation or other parts of the car. So it is petrol, but indirectly.

There is a recent history of fires caused by fuel tank issue with Polo R5 and Fabia R5, but that issue seems more like an exception.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They could open and have it all, and then all manufacturers have conditions to get involved. You know when thing is restricted, there is always one, which can't get involved, because they don't sell that shit, the WRC offer.

But like VHS vs Betamax, someone is going to lose and do so in a very public way.

Maybe WRC could use Rally2 cars, factory and private teams, for a few years, until the car industry decides what fuel is really going to be the future.

[Mirek]

Maybe WRC could use Rally2 cars, factory and private teams, for a few years, until the car industry decides what fuel is really going to be the future.

Why again? Just why?

This idea is as dead as the Monty Python parrot.

[Mirek]

hehe true, tho at the same time, 99,9999% of both motorsport and 'road' incidents with fire in the whole history of "cars" were caused because of petrol, so...

Except it's not true. Hydrogen is pretty safe. With hydrogen in open spaces you vitrually can't ever get a vapor explosion or self ignition. The reason is that unlike gasoline, methan etc. it is far ligher than air and therefopre never concentrates in an open space. When it's leaking it just dissipates in the air and nothing happens. It also requires far richer (and virtually impossible in open space) concentration for self ignition than gasoline vapors. Plus unlike gasoline or battries it's not toxic.

Of course you can't shoot the pressurized tank but you can't do that with petrol tank or a battery either.

[WRCStan]

Why again? Just why?

This idea is as dead as the Monty Python parrot.

It's not dead, no manufacturers are coming, end of. The technical standards discussion is moot. Manufacturers want out, now the Promoter wants out. If the FIA end up promoting their own series again, this is what they'll do, as it's what they proposed earlier this year when they were unwittingly acting like the Turkey voting for Christmas.

Sure with a healthy championship I will say the same, it certainly isn't a target, but the championship is very, very sick.

Only thing I will say to Eddie is that the car industry isn't coming back, ever.

[saco0o]

Maybe WRC could use Rally2 cars, factory and private teams, for a few years.

yes

[mknight]

Except it's not true. Hydrogen is pretty safe. With hydrogen in open spaces you vitrually can't ever get a vapor explosion or self ignition. The reason is that unlike gasoline, methan etc. it is far ligher than air and therefopre never concentrates in an open space. When it's leaking it just dissipates in the air and nothing happens. It also requires far richer (and virtually impossible in open space) concentration for self ignition than gasoline vapors. Plus unlike gasoline or battries it's not toxic.

Of course you can't shoot the pressurized tank but you can't do that with petrol tank or a battery either.

Right then I guess this explosion never happened:

https://www.fleeteurope.com/fr/new-e...fety-questions

(Link is first search hit, but it was everywhere in the news).

Afterwards they found out it was due to wrongly installed valve that leaked. (So no shooting of pressurized tank). In either case after this the number of hydrogen fylling stations around Oslo went from like 6 to 1 and hydrogen car sales dropped to close to zero, while battery car sales are now at 94% of all new cars.