WRC main class in 2025

[Mirek]

to understand how they went from "we have a problem in wrc, lets fix it" to "the obvious solution is to literally keep the problem the way it was".

I'll repeat the answer again. Time. Any change which is done less than two years beforehand is completely meaningless because it can't bring any new manufacturers.

[Mirek]

People wanted the FIA to address the low number of cars (Teams) in the top class, the crazy cost of a Rally1 Hybrid and the inability for upcoming drivers and event locals to access or compete with them.

Ideas and proposals were suggested but the current Teams had them over a barrell and were able to threaten to leave unless the status quo was maintained.

Same answer. You can't bring any new manufacturers by giving them no time to decide and develop their own car. You only piss the already commited ones by changing regs for fun.

[Mirek]

So what exactly do you want? Didn't ask what you don't want.

Although the question was more aimed at the guys with this 'manufacturers are holding the FIA hostage' mentality. I'd like that situation explaining to me please, and how it should be improved.

This. It's super easy and cheap to say what one doesn't want but it's pretty difficult to bring any viable options. Well, we just had the Euro elections where it was just like here on the board...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally2 could've been made the top class from 2025 without pissing off the current Manufacturers who all already have these machines.

Skoda and Citroen (Stellantis) could've then come in as factory teams.

The WRC2 Rally2 Regs could've been tweaked for a bit more power and aero.

Privateers could've bought them off the Teams and competed on an equal level.

[saco0o]

I'll repeat the answer again. Time. Any change which is done less than two years beforehand is completely meaningless because it can't bring any new manufacturers.

but the last changes in wrc did NOT brought new manufacturers to the sport, anyway.
its even worst cuz we lost vw, citroen and 'half' of ford... AND we lost "teams" too, for obvious reasons.
i cannot agree with anything regarding "keeping rally1s'' or any other sentence about "new manufacturers".
its not working, we can see that.
rally2. thats it. theres no other solution.

now we are left with 2 more years with 6 full time entries. SIX. oh, and 2 of them are pay-drivers (msport)
the mighty WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP has 6 full time entries. SIX, man. this is unaceptable and THATS WHY they started to look for 'solutions'. who would have thought that the 'obvious solution", after months of thinking, was to KEEP the same rules, the same 6 full time entries in the TOP RALLYING CHAMPIONSHIP, u'know?

haha im not angry with you, sorry if sounded like that. im just really impressed on how on earth fia didnt stopped this madness. just run rally2 cars. its THIS SIMPLE.

[saco0o]

This. It's super easy and cheap to say what one doesn't want but it's pretty difficult to bring any viable options. Well, we just had the Euro elections where it was just like here on the board...

imo its really simple: "rally2".
keep the "hey, manufacturers, the kit's upgrade calendar will continue the way they are, so you cannot build a 'rally1-' car inside the rally2 car". the rules is RALLY2 cars. dont want? piss off, theres couple of local entries for each neuville that doenst want to run a "slower car''

but i agree with other's opinions: they should have announced rally2 for 25-26 and the specs for 27, whatever they are.
i wish its rally2 for costumer and privateers and "rally2 on alternative power" for manufacturers.
idk how you equal that, but im sure theres enough experts out there to come up with the rules.
they already have Dakar doing that, right? they are having world rx with EVs vs ICE. they have WEC/IMSA with hybrids and non-hybrids. it is possible

[WRCStan]

Rally2 could've been made the top class from 2025 without pissing off the current Manufacturers who all already have these machines.

Skoda and Citroen (Stellantis) could've then come in as factory teams.

The WRC2 Rally2 Regs could've been tweaked for a bit more power and aero.

Privateers could've bought them off the Teams and competed on an equal level.

Wrong.

Wrong.

meh

Wrong.

Or, they could yes, but it's an idealist's view of WRC being a fair and inviting sport championship. If you expect that any of what you put is ever a serious target, you and I have opposing views of how the world turns.

[Backa]

Rally2 could've been made the top class from 2025 without pissing off the current Manufacturers who all already have these machines.

Hyundai having Rally2 car doesn't mean they wouldn't be pissed off with that solution. It would mean money they used to improve rally1 programme had much worse return of investment than they expected, purely because of WRC lack of vision. Toyota and Ford would be similarly pissed. Skoda and Citroen would be big beneficients.

[Eli]

The fact of the matter is we now need to change the name of this thread to main class in WRC 2027 (in hopes it won’t become 2028 with the way things are being done). But in all seriousness, like it’s been said here before, they need to have a vision- what they want to achieve and then plan a way of how to achieve it.

[rallyfiend]

Rally2 could've been made the top class from 2025 without pissing off the current Manufacturers who all already have these machines.

Skoda and Citroen (Stellantis) could've then come in as factory teams.

The WRC2 Rally2 Regs could've been tweaked for a bit more power and aero.

Privateers could've bought them off the Teams and competed on an equal level.

1) Not true. The current Ford, SKoda and Hyundai cars are bascially obselete.

2) SKoda and Stellantis are currently in the sport to the maximum that their parent companies are willing to put up with. THis is not necessarily a reflection on WRC, but on the philosophy towards all motorsport that exists within the Group. This is why even they said they wouldn't produce a 'kit' for their customers....

3) Great, lets make there already powerful cars more unsafe, for little spectacle....

4) All the manufacturers said they wouldn't do that. And in any case, it was a poorly thought our strategy from FIA because it doesn't work that way with the current set up of engines with pop-off valves on the engine. They thought it was a quick answer - it absolutely was not.

Again, this 'Working Group' thought they'd 'solve' the WRC without any real thought, consultation by a bunch of people who haven't been in the sport for a long time. Everything they suggested was found out to be wrong or unachievable. Every single thing.