M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

[Jarek Z]

There is a reason why Extreme E is going to be replaced with Extreme H as soon as from 2025 season. There are new tides in the sustainability trends; Toyota also pushes more for Hydrogen then electric.

Forgive my stupid question, but hydrogen-powered cars have electric engines, right? or not?

[wyler]

Forgive my stupid question, but hydrogen-powered cars have electric engines, right? or not?

both:
"Motive power is generated by converting the chemical energy of hydrogen to mechanical energy, either by reacting hydrogen with oxygen in a fuel cell to power electric motors or, less commonly, by hydrogen internal combustion."[wikipedia]

i guess the focus here is on the latter.

[Kenneth]

With this "Rally2+", I don't understand why no one has mentioned keeping spaceframes as it's supposed to be an easier (and most likely cheaper?) way of making the car without having to work on modifying an existing shell? Also if the homologation rules would be relaxed more, it could open up the path for non-manufacturers.

Exactly. Wanna keep costs down and make it possible for new manufacturers to join? Just use space frame and fill the car with as many production parts as possible. Use cheaper body panels instead of carbon. Use road cars based engines. Use only transmission, suspension etc. that anyone can buy on market.

Making Rally2+ is just a short term solution that would move WRC back to 2011, when something like that happened and everyone can see that it was a terrible move.

[Jarek Z]

both:
"Motive power is generated by converting the chemical energy of hydrogen to mechanical energy, either by reacting hydrogen with oxygen in a fuel cell to power electric motors or, less commonly, by hydrogen internal combustion."[wikipedia]

i guess the focus here is on the latter.

Thanks for your reply. But I'm afraid that the focus here is on the former...

[Managarium]

[TypeR]

You learn from the best!
He saw Tanak doing it all the time last year and knows he has to do it also
So better practise it on PET(R) - pre-event test&repair.

[EstWRC]

M-Sport will introduce a new rear wing upgrade to its World Rally Championship Ford Puma this season and is working to address last year’s costly reliability issues.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...plan/10566057/

[Kenneth]

Thanks for your reply. But I'm afraid that the focus here is on the former...

Toyota's focus is on the hydrogen ICE. But other manus, as well as Extreme H, focus on hydrogen cell powered electric engines.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Exactly. Wanna keep costs down and make it possible for new manufacturers to join? Just use space frame and fill the car with as many production parts as possible. Use cheaper body panels instead of carbon. Use road cars based engines. Use only transmission, suspension etc. that anyone can buy on market.

Making Rally2+ is just a short term solution that would move WRC back to 2011, when something like that happened and everyone can see that it was a terrible move.

Can you explain your last point re 2011 cars ? There were more WRC1 entries including private runners with those cars...

[Kenneth]

Can you explain your last point re 2011 cars ? There were more WRC1 entries including private runners with those cars...

It isn't really some strong point, more like just an opinion as imo these cars weren't interesting enough. But as history showed it wasn't some long term successful rule set as these cars were there only for 5 years after which manufacturers wanted stronger, more interesting and more expensive cars. I think WRC should think about rules that would be there for a longer period.

But your point is good, from that perspective 2011 WRCs were a success and I think that Rally2+ would deliver even better in term of entries. I just see it as a short term solution. But if it's supposed to be some transitional era, then sure, would be probably a good step.

But we have no guarantee that Škoda would make Rally2+. I'm also a bit worried about its impact on current Rally2 cars.