[WRC] FORUM8 Rally Japan 2023

[becher]

I think Ogier said that problem is the cars are tube framed with plastic panels, a lot of water getting in from cracs. He said these problems are not happening with real car based rally2 cars of previous WRC machines

I think thats quit accurate.

[denkimi]

Perhaps they should install windscreen wipers on the inside too

[COD]

Perhaps they should install windscreen wipers on the inside too

Or just to return to cars based on roadcar frames

[bomber21]

The empty stadium is really embarassing.

[CeskyOndra]

The empty stadium is really embarassing.

Yesterday, there were quite a lot of people actually

[Mirek]

Or just to return to cars based on roadcar frames

That would be a really bad idea for the WRC future.

[Mirek]

Same marketing. It would be the top of the sport then. Why would it make less sense marketing a car that looks the ones sold in showrooms than these tubeframed winged monsters that hardly resemble the roadcars?

Because for the manufacturers it's much more expensive, time consuming and complicated to work with the road car bodyshell than with the space frame. Imagine that whatever change happens in the road car may affect the rally car and if you need to modify the bodyshell for the rally car you have to go trough super expensive and super time consuming process of changing the stock production.

For the manufacturers the optimal way is to keep the motorsport department completely separated from the production. With that you can do the same change with handful of people and only within the motorsport department budget. In the other case you may need hundreds of people, months of meetings and plannings and a lot of money from outside of the motorsport department budget for the very same change (in the end you probably end with not executing it and stay with sub-optimal solution).

Moreover the stock cars are less and less suitable for being converted into rally cars. By requiring a stock bodyshell you close the door for large part of the pool of potential competitors. That itself is a stupid thing to do.

[becher]

Because for the manufacturers it's much more expensive, time consuming and complicated to work with the road car bodyshell than with the space frame. Imagine that whatever change happens in the road car may affect the rally car and if you need to modify the bodyshell for the rally car you have to go trough super expensive and super time consuming process of changing the stock production.

For the manufacturers the optimal way is to keep the motorsport department completely separated from the production. With that you can do the same change with handful of people and only within the motorsport department budget. In the other case you may need hundreds of people, months of meetings and plannings and a lot of money from outside of the motorsport department budget for the very same change (in the end you probably end with not executing it and stay with sub-optimal solution).

Moreover the stock cars are less and less suitable for being converted into rally cars. By requiring a stock bodyshell you close the door for large part of the pool of potential competitors. That itself is a stupid thing to do.

For car enthusiast this is a hard pill to swallow, but the truth.

[EstWRC]

[Mirek]

Plenty of mistakes in the onboard of Neuville. A lot of understeer and wrong lines.

Anyway the stage has been so far so twisty that it's been completely unspectacular