[WRC] FORUM8 Rally Japan 2023

**CeskyOndra** · 17th November 2023, 17:07

Originally Posted by dimviii

ABITEBOUL CRITICAL OF NEUVILLE’S ‘RUSHED’ APPROACH
THIERRY NEUVILLE CRASHED OUT OF SECOND WHILE CHASING DOWN THE LEAD, WHICH HASN'T IMPRESSED HIS BOSS

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/abite...shed-approach/

Partly agree with him, but in these conditions it is really easy to make a mistake

**drive** · 17th November 2023, 17:27

Originally Posted by COD

I fail to see why it would not be? All current teams have a car + more manufacturers, privateer teams with a reasonable chance to impress and so many more positives. What is so good about these hybrid creations that would prevent rally2 becoming top class?

I have watched real WRC 5 times this year, 7 times last year and so on... and I WANT Rally1 as top class, because seeing them fly past is very big difference comparing with Rally2 cars...
Yes, now is not enough teams and cars, but that is anther story

**linni** · 17th November 2023, 17:35

Originally Posted by Mirek

We woud need to do some pretty complex math but heating the windscreen to 50+ °C at cold weather and high speeds definitely requires a lot of power because the windscreen is actively cooled from the outside with very high efficiency. I can't compute that myself but it's definitely several kilowatts. That doesn't mean only that you need a source to deliver such power but you also need to have thick enough wires in the glass. My very rough estimation is around 5 kW in situations like here in Japan. That is 10x more than what standard road car heated screens are capable of. You also need 3-4x thicker (and much better visible) wires.

I'm also not sure whether there wouldn't be a risk of cracking the glass from temperature shocks combined with mechanical shocks and vibrations.

For sure if it had a simple solution no team would have problems.

If you cannot heat the things up, you have to think, how to ventilate the moisture out. Sunroof will do, or full cabrio (smile). Or something between.
Anything, but I have to give credits to Ogier - how the hell the windscreen is misty in my 1 mil eur car?

**EstWRC** · 17th November 2023, 18:24

Originally Posted by dimviii

ABITEBOUL CRITICAL OF NEUVILLE’S ‘RUSHED’ APPROACH
THIERRY NEUVILLE CRASHED OUT OF SECOND WHILE CHASING DOWN THE LEAD, WHICH HASN'T IMPRESSED HIS BOSS

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/abite...shed-approach/

wow, thats the most critical i have seen him so far

**Mirek** · 17th November 2023, 18:30

Originally Posted by linni

If you cannot heat the things up, you have to think, how to ventilate the moisture out. Sunroof will do, or full cabrio (smile). Or something between.
Anything, but I have to give credits to Ogier - how the hell the windscreen is misty in my 1 mil eur car?

IMHO the only reliable solution is A/C unit. The problem is that it has about 20 kg and takes a lot of space.

**linni** · 17th November 2023, 18:57

Originally Posted by Mirek

IMHO the only reliable solution is A/C unit. The problem is that it has about 20 kg and takes a lot of space.

There has to be another solution. Let`s see, what`s coming on in Monte. The moisture is there a problem as well.
I wonder if no team has taken any measures due to it.

**TypeR** · 17th November 2023, 19:10

It is all doable. If they could do it 20y ago, they can do it today.
About AC
1) thread from 2007:
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...ng-in-WRC-cars

2)Wrc wings post about 307 WRC:
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2023/03/06...wrc-rally-car/

3) LATVALA's statement from last year
https://dirtfish.com/rally/latvala-s...cockpit-issue/

“This is my personal opinion – we could have air conditioning in the cars, but it needs to be the same for everybody,” Latvala told DirtFish.

“The same model, the same weight and everything,that could be one solution.

Easy and should be done for drivers'/codrivers' safety.

**COD** · 17th November 2023, 20:24

Same marketing. It would be the top of the sport then. Why would it make less sense marketing a car that looks the ones sold in showrooms than these tubeframed winged monsters that hardly resemble the roadcars?

**linni** · 17th November 2023, 20:25

Once the cars are hybrid kinda, why not the heat pump? Fits more to "green" technologies.

**COD** · 17th November 2023, 20:25

Originally Posted by linni

There has to be another solution. Let`s see, what`s coming on in Monte. The moisture is there a problem as well.
I wonder if no team has taken any measures due to it.

I think Ogier said that problem is the cars are tube framed with plastic panels, a lot of water getting in from cracs. He said these problems are not happening with real car based rally2 cars of previous WRC machines