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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    M-Sport team principal Richard Millener is confident that a young driver line-up it is planning for next year can be competitive in the World Rally Championship.


    https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...2024/10546030/

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    As expected, it doesn't sound like Oliver Solberg's Monster backing is compatible with M-Sport's existing Red Bull deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    As expected, it doesn't sound like Oliver Solberg's Monster backing is compatible with M-Sport's existing Red Bull deal.
    Wasn't Rovanpera also sponsored by Monster, then he turned to Red Bull?
    Fourmaux has only Red Bull logo on helmet, not on his car anymore. Could be this last season of his partnership with Red Bull?
    Loubet also. When his Red Bull contract expires? Is it only one year deal? Would Red Bull backup a driver that is only good for crashing car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    It was widely-believed that M.Wilson paid Ogier out of his own (MSport) money as it was too much to get from sponsors alone.
    Possibly, but I believe Ogier had a VW contract which they either paid out or were involved in this. If he wanted another payday from Red Bull he would need to keep active, and they might also have been involved in this. Toyota and Hyundai were lined up, the only other option was Citroen who had a star driver and a title sponsor. M-Sport had two never-wons and no Ford.

    More likely they earned from Tanak in 2023 than they paid him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Managarium View Post
    Wasn't Rovanpera also sponsored by Monster, then he turned to Red Bull?
    Fourmaux has only Red Bull logo on helmet, not on his car anymore. Could be this last season of his partnership with Red Bull?
    Loubet also. When his Red Bull contract expires? Is it only one year deal? Would Red Bull backup a driver that is only good for crashing car?
    I think you have to differentiate between Red Bull athlete and Red Bull sponsored car. Red Bull athletes have RB only on their helmet, while Red Bull also sponsors M-Sport's Rally1 program, so their full time drivers have RB logo on the car. I would bet that in Japan, Fourmaux will have RB on the car again.

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    Thank you for clarification.
    I've always wandered why Toyota doesn't have Red Bull logo, while all Toyota drivers have Red Bull helmets.

    Anyway... I think that M-Sport Red Bull sponsorship is over. Red Bull is always associated with successful athletes and teams in any sport. In WRC they were with Citroen and VW at their peek.
    M-Sport had potentially good drivers in 2022 and world class driver this year.
    I don't think that Red Bull wants to be associated with crashes and technical misery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Managarium View Post
    Thank you for clarification.
    I've always wandered why Toyota doesn't have Red Bull logo, while all Toyota drivers have Red Bull helmets.

    Anyway... I think that M-Sport Red Bull sponsorship is over. Red Bull is always associated with successful athletes and teams in any sport. In WRC they were with Citroen and VW at their peek.
    M-Sport had potentially good drivers in 2022 and world class driver this year.
    I don't think that Red Bull wants to be associated with crashes and technical misery.
    Difference here is Red Bull is aligned to the success of the series, not just one team's success. If they walk away from M-Sport it must mean they found another third team or M-Sport found a backer. Doesn't appear that these people exist.

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    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Managarium View Post
    Anyway... I think that M-Sport Red Bull sponsorship is over. Red Bull is always associated with successful athletes and teams in any sport. In WRC they were with Citroen and VW at their peek.
    M-Sport had potentially good drivers in 2022 and world class driver this year.
    I don't think that Red Bull wants to be associated with crashes and technical misery.
    I think you're overlooking that Red Bull are the Promoter of WRC, so should have a vested interest in ensuring that M-Sport are a somewhat serious third team/manufacturer. If they're going to channel money their way as Promoter, it makes sense to have them in their colours. Plus, look how many guys are on Red Bull pocket money deals, it isn't just the Sebastiens of the rally world...

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    M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Horrible season.

    I think the puma is the worst car they have built regarding reliability, only one joker used during the season for bigger update and nothing more

    And the sad thing is that the next season promises to be even more worse with their lineup
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