Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[240RS]

Talking of the spectacle and drivers, this year has brought to the fore interesting live observations.

If you want to gasp and be astounded, watch Kalle, Ogier, Ott, Thierry and Lappi. They are pedal-to-the-metal, wherever possible, with some superb lines. Worth travelling to watch that lot.

Evans and Sordo are quick without necessarily standing out. Loubet and Katsuta are very hesitant, clearly not confident. They are lifting where others flat-out. Not hard to work out where they are losing.

[ictus]

Seems you haven’t been to a wrc round to compare the two classes

Wrc2 is boring as hell compared to rally1 even when Solberg, Mikkelsen etc top drivers come past me

It would be dull as main class

It's dull because you have the comparison, and the faster cars go first...
And the other thing is the drivers as you mentioned... Solberg and Mikkelsen are "top drivers" but in WRC2... if you but TOP drivers in wrc2 the spectacle will be fine

[skarderud]

Seems you haven’t been to a wrc round to compare the two classes

Wrc2 is boring as hell compared to rally1 even when Solberg, Mikkelsen etc top drivers come past me

It would be dull as main class

Been in sweden, yes.

Of course its a difference, when you get these cars directly after each other, but if you don't have the faster car before, you won't feel the rally2 as slow. Its not slow.
But, of course, with a top driver at full send in it.

Its also easy to see at TV that the hybrid is faster than Rally2, but would you actually think about it if the Rally2s are top class, and the Rally3's comes after? No, i don't think so.

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[doubled1978]

We’ve been here before.
Group A was rubbish when we had Group B, when there was no more Group B it was fine. Sure the Group A cars evolved quite a bit from the start of 1987 to the end of even 1988, but those cars were slower than a modern Rally 2 car is.

I’m pretty sure the same will be the case now, take away the Rally 1 cars, give the Rally 2 a bit more power and sound so they rev out a bit more and all will be fine, you won’t even think about it a year down the line.

[AndersX]

We’ve been here before.
Group A was rubbish when we had Group B, when there was no more Group B it was fine. Sure the Group A cars evolved quite a bit from the start of 1987 to the end of even 1988, but those cars were slower than a modern Rally 2 car is.

I’m pretty sure the same will be the case now, take away the Rally 1 cars, give the Rally 2 a bit more power and sound so they rev out a bit more and all will be fine, you won’t even think about it a year down the line.

Exactly!

[skarderud]

A Rally2 car is much faster that a early 2000's WRCar, its quite long time ago some finish guy (sunninen?) drove John Hauglands testroad in a Škoda R5 40 sek faster than Colin McRae in a Focus WRC.
They use around 5min on this particular road.

Is it just the sound that makes the old WRC feel faster, or are there the change of drivingteqnic with less oversteer style that makes it like this?

Or is it just us old farts wishing in to be faster?

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

The noise, the lack of of big aero and the fact many of the older cars were bigger saloons, made them seems more exciting. The drivers also threw them around a lot and were sideways more often.

[doubled1978]

A Rally2 car is much faster that a early 2000's WRCar, its quite long time ago some finish guy (sunninen?) drove John Hauglands testroad in a Škoda R5 40 sek faster than Colin McRae in a Focus WRC.
They use around 5min on this particular road.

Is it just the sound that makes the old WRC feel faster, or are there the change of drivingteqnic with less oversteer style that makes it like this?

Or is it just us old farts wishing in to be faster?

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The sound is a big part of it, and particularly back then with the Group A cars when they had the bigger restrictors. From 95 onwards they all sounded a bit rubbish because they didn’t rev. That didn’t change until 2011 when they went to the 1.6 engine cars.
Driving techniques probably a bit too, but if you have all the top guys driving Rally2 type cars, they will be pushing like hell and it will be spectacular, and there will be plenty of them.
My only concession would be to give them a bit more power and noise, I bet that can be achieved by allowing them to breathe a bit better alone.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Running 34mm restrictors is allowed in some UK Championships and this can make a big difference. One very average driver with this power won 3 stages on the BRC Jim Clark Rally vs Fourmaux.

[bomber21]

Make Rally2 the top class, give them bigger spoilers, improve the sound, use e-fuel and promote it as eco friendly.

And see what happens.