Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[dimviii]

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#WRC fun facts: if Ogier wouldn't take part in the season...
Kalle would be at 188 points (+18)
Evans 126 (+11)
Neuville 123 (+11)
Tänak 112 (+8)
Lappi 93 (+6)
Sordo 51 (+5)
Taka 50 (+9)
Loubet 32 (+4)

[Jewy46]

Rally2 for more competition and all that is good, but for the spectacle it's not good enough in my opinion.
I thought it would be better at the ERC event in Sweden than what it was.
I probably won't travel to watch an event further away with only Rally2, it's like watching a Norwegian event just 8-10 fast cars compared to 4-5

I tend to agree with you about Rally2. There's 16 of us travelling to Finland next week and I don't think I or some of the rest would go that far to see the event if it was Rally2 only, they are not fast/spectacular/loud enough.
Just my opinion.

[skarderud]

I tend to disagree about the spectacle.
Cars driven at 100%, or even slightly over, are fun to watch. If its a Rally1, Rally2, or a Volvo PV from 1959 i dont care, its fun.
But, to see whatever car driven at 80% is dull, if its a WRC or not.
Maybe some real classics is ok at slower speed, if its the right car

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[EstWRC]

Seems you haven’t been to a wrc round to compare the two classes

Wrc2 is boring as hell compared to rally1 even when Solberg, Mikkelsen etc top drivers come past me

It would be dull as main class

[240RS]

Talking of the spectacle and drivers, this year has brought to the fore interesting live observations.

If you want to gasp and be astounded, watch Kalle, Ogier, Ott, Thierry and Lappi. They are pedal-to-the-metal, wherever possible, with some superb lines. Worth travelling to watch that lot.

Evans and Sordo are quick without necessarily standing out. Loubet and Katsuta are very hesitant, clearly not confident. They are lifting where others flat-out. Not hard to work out where they are losing.

[ictus]

Seems you haven’t been to a wrc round to compare the two classes

Wrc2 is boring as hell compared to rally1 even when Solberg, Mikkelsen etc top drivers come past me

It would be dull as main class

It's dull because you have the comparison, and the faster cars go first...
And the other thing is the drivers as you mentioned... Solberg and Mikkelsen are "top drivers" but in WRC2... if you but TOP drivers in wrc2 the spectacle will be fine

[skarderud]

Seems you haven’t been to a wrc round to compare the two classes

Wrc2 is boring as hell compared to rally1 even when Solberg, Mikkelsen etc top drivers come past me

It would be dull as main class

Been in sweden, yes.

Of course its a difference, when you get these cars directly after each other, but if you don't have the faster car before, you won't feel the rally2 as slow. Its not slow.
But, of course, with a top driver at full send in it.

Its also easy to see at TV that the hybrid is faster than Rally2, but would you actually think about it if the Rally2s are top class, and the Rally3's comes after? No, i don't think so.

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[doubled1978]

We’ve been here before.
Group A was rubbish when we had Group B, when there was no more Group B it was fine. Sure the Group A cars evolved quite a bit from the start of 1987 to the end of even 1988, but those cars were slower than a modern Rally 2 car is.

I’m pretty sure the same will be the case now, take away the Rally 1 cars, give the Rally 2 a bit more power and sound so they rev out a bit more and all will be fine, you won’t even think about it a year down the line.

[AndersX]

We’ve been here before.
Group A was rubbish when we had Group B, when there was no more Group B it was fine. Sure the Group A cars evolved quite a bit from the start of 1987 to the end of even 1988, but those cars were slower than a modern Rally 2 car is.

I’m pretty sure the same will be the case now, take away the Rally 1 cars, give the Rally 2 a bit more power and sound so they rev out a bit more and all will be fine, you won’t even think about it a year down the line.

Exactly!

[skarderud]

A Rally2 car is much faster that a early 2000's WRCar, its quite long time ago some finish guy (sunninen?) drove John Hauglands testroad in a Škoda R5 40 sek faster than Colin McRae in a Focus WRC.
They use around 5min on this particular road.

Is it just the sound that makes the old WRC feel faster, or are there the change of drivingteqnic with less oversteer style that makes it like this?

Or is it just us old farts wishing in to be faster?

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