Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

**Rallyper** · 7th June 2023, 12:12

Even if someone have big lead in rallying nothing is decided until the last stage finishline. Look at Rally2 last weekend, for example.

That´s the secret with rallying. You never know final result until end.

PS fresh tires, absolutely. Thursday to Saturday, maybe.

I think the big bosses should take a common close look for a future format. In bosses I would include organizer representants, for example Kai T from Finland. They would also have a lot to say I guess.

Not sprint, but more endurance needed.

**Norm75** · 7th June 2023, 13:20

Points for the overall rally win. Points awarded at the end of each day for that days performances. i.e three rallies in one rally.

**HKSjbg** · 7th June 2023, 14:13

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Good that he's speaking out, but I'm slightly wary of what he's saying.......I think he's wanting something like end of leg points for Friday & Saturday....He's right about the Sunday though.

Yeah I read his Friday/Saturday comments to mean something like an over-hyping or gimmicky addition to the days proceedings. So long as the legs are long enough and arduous enough I think the entertainment will come in the form of not knowing exactly what’s going to unfold.

There’s not much wrong other than each leg could do with being a bit longer (especially the pathetically short Sundays)

**TypeR** · 7th June 2023, 14:29

If they decide to award extra points for days, stages etc then they must also change the overall points system, because otherwise winning/finishing rally doesn't meen too much..

Even at the moment 5 points from PS is quite a lot.. in Sardegna Rovanperä got more points for 3rd + PS win than Lappi for finishing rally on 2nd place.
But some changes are needed for sure..

**Norm75** · 7th June 2023, 15:43

Yes the points system would need looking at. Just throwing the idea out there, it would at least stop the cruising to the power stage on a Sunday.

I would suggest something along the lines of keeping overall points for the rally the same as is, but points for the day (leaderboard for the day based on that particular days performance, not the overall leaderboard) awarded to the top 6 on that day and starting at 10 points like the old system. Do away with power stage as that should see drivers scrapping to the last stage.

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 7th June 2023, 17:29

The final day issue of 'managing a lead' or 'cruising' so as to avoid the risk of losing your result isn't confined to WRC. It happens and has happened for years in many, many rallies at all levels.

For example the other weekend Fourmaux was doing the Jim Clark Rally in the BRC. After two stages on the Friday night he'd built up a lead of 28 seconds. He then went through the 6 Saturday steadily and never in the top 3 stage times but still won the rally....

**Katvala** · 7th June 2023, 17:37

With more entrants there'd be less of a chance of boring Sundays. When we had more entrants and manufacturers, there was often cruising Sunday, but there was more often battles for positions and podium places so that there usually would be something of interest to watch. Nowadays I often skip watching Sundays until powerstage.

There is a lot of feedback loops in WRC. Less entrants causes less interest causes less entrants and so on..

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**skarderud** · 7th June 2023, 20:19

Originally Posted by Katvala

With more entrants there'd be less of a chance of boring Sundays. When we had more entrants and manufacturers, there was often cruising Sunday, but there was more often battles for positions and podium places so that there usually would be something of interest to watch. Nowadays I often skip watching Sundays until powerstage.

There is a lot of feedback loops in WRC. Less entrants causes less interest causes less entrants and so on..

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Spot on.

Of course its more fighting with more entrants, you can't drive safe if someone pushing you.

Weird, those insane spectacular cars people need to have, are boring most of the rally....
People want fighting and close racing all weekend, Rally1 formula don't work, then Rally2 can give fans what they really want.

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**fiscorpun** · 8th June 2023, 01:02

Do u guys follow more motorsports series on social media? I dont use it a lot.. i honestly open them one or two times a week or so, but man, sports championships are getting SO ANNYING with lots of 5 to 20 sec pointless clips. Jeeez is this how Youngster live? Its weird to think "this is what they gotta do in order to be relevant". But like, I still dont believe these people are actually watching motorsport. They probably just watch these quick clips of a crash (nascar, rally) or a "funny radio message" (f1/indy) or a nice whip (motocross) and think "Cool"... And thats it. Its like, these Championships need to have racing for their fans and "CONTENT" for non fans. WHY? I dont understand haha whats the point in having mu cousing saying "rallying is awesome, look at this car going crazy fast into a tree"...- Oh, do you watch rally?.. "No".
Haha is there value in this?? Or its the same BS about "Electric Cars will make the world clean, lets transport them on aeroplanes to Kenya"?
Haha ahh everything is so weird, mate

**skarderud** · 8th June 2023, 04:57

I think your point is really good, this tiktok stupidity is what they get used to, its ruined peoples attentionspan.

I don't use [un]social media that much, mostly FB og Instagram due to work and follow some motorsport, mostly rally.

The concentration and attention of both kids and adults these days is close to a joke, its ruined just in last 10 years.

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