Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

**Rallyper** · 7th June 2023, 06:46

Originally Posted by bomber21

Maybe I am getting old but I do not really understand how to use this discord thing.

AFAIK, this forum right here is the only active international rally forum in the world.

When I found it, maybe around 2008 or smth, it was from Marcus Grönholms website. In his links thread he recommended Motorsportforums. I fell in live immediately...

**Rallyper** · 7th June 2023, 06:50

Originally Posted by WRCStan

I don't come here often now, it's so much more enjoyable to pop in occasionally and lurk for some alpha information or news, will post this as it's meta.

I don't think it's a great 'discussion forum' at all, for there's not much tolerance for alternative opinions. Those with the time and tendency to post mostly have negative energy and those with positive energy don't have the time or tendency to post, or they have their energy zapped. I can see why Antti might feel zapped, I saw even after he simply says he's taking a break due to the negativity, negativity instantly continued to shoot him.

Sulland said as much, but I disagree that aged accounts should somehow know everything. Times change and the world goes with it and certainly this sport has, and I don't think all aged accounts realise this and can be stuck with invalid points. You try and 'discuss' things you can be ignored, taken for a troll, or shot down with negativity. Actually, I was told to shut up for posting a factual point precisely about how WRC had changed over time, and so I've shut up and not looked back since. Even if jovial tone was/is intended it doesn't carry through the internet, it just spreads as assholery. Think I was both these at times, think I was driven to it for I didn't initially sign up to be a jerk.

Well, those who are hypersensitive may have problems if they can´t see other people have different views. Shouldn´t be like that, bcs everyone contributes. Leaving on those grounds is kind of selfish...?

**bomber21** · 7th June 2023, 07:06

Originally Posted by Rallyper

When I found it, maybe around 2008 or smth, it was from Marcus Grönholms website. In his links thread he recommended Motorsportforums. I fell in live immediately...

Yeah, same here because it is the only place in the internet I can communicate with other enthusiasts about my passion.

But to be honest, we deserve something better. Forum software is outdated and there is no big moderating team. This is why we have all these spammers destroying threads with ads for drugs.

I know that this costs money but we all enthusiasts must do something. e-wrc.com is an example of passionate people doing something great. Why cannot we do the same with a forum? In the end of the day, rally is our passion and this passion makes our lives better. We won’t live forever and we deserve a nice modern place to discuss.

**EstWRC** · 7th June 2023, 08:02

Go Cyril! Really like the guy so far, isn’t afraid of saying things out

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...view/10479591/

**skarderud** · 7th June 2023, 08:06

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Go Cyril! Really like the guy so far, isn’t afraid of saying things out

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...view/10479591/

Good to have this kind of people in charge!

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**seb_sh** · 7th June 2023, 08:46

Yeah Cyril is a plus for Hyundai as well as the WRC itself. Let's see what they come up with!

**AndyRAC** · 7th June 2023, 09:02

Good that he's speaking out, but I'm slightly wary of what he's saying.......I think he's wanting something like end of leg points for Friday & Saturday....He's right about the Sunday though.

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 7th June 2023, 09:52

Its gonna be a tough one to solve apart from fresh tyres for the PS.

Like many motorsport events and some other sports, the excitement drops away after the result has become decided. Like in F1 the win isn't often in doubt after the halfway point, or in football if one team has a decent lead with 20 mins to go.

It's fundamental for rallying has to have the endurance element and so every event cant always have a super-close battle for positions right to the end...

**Franky** · 7th June 2023, 11:13

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Go Cyril! Really like the guy so far, isn’t afraid of saying things out

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...view/10479591/

Lets wait till his idea/s become public and then give a verdict.

**meh** · 7th June 2023, 11:34

Rally is not only sprint + sprint + sprint (stages), but also strategy to keep all resources lasting (cars, tires, etc). From competition for overall places or from general entertainment point of view I can not see any benefit to get fresh set of tires for PowerStage.

When it comes to play - if super-rally guys have more fresh tires left than those who have done full race, then competitors with super-rally have tire-advantage for powerstage. Like it was this time (Sardegna) with Tänak and Takamoto.

So, I don't see fresh tires for powerstage for solution to make Sundays more interesting, as the main reason is lack of competitors and because of that, not enough for fighting for positions (and it will be extra killed with team-orders). But I can see the point to make it more equal to earn PowerStage points.