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[focus206]

Yes, these were the latest ones and did not affect the championship standings.

Let's take a look at 2019 season then. The crashes in Chile and Turkey did not help at all with the competiton against Tänak.

When you are driving against champions like Ogier, then you just can't afford these kind of mistakes. Ogier made usually one mistake per season.

I like to see him in the championship and he is fast as the other best drivers. He just too often makes costly mistakes and looses valuable points.


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Yes, Neuville makes more mistakes than Ogier and Tanak, and that's why they're world champions. Point is: when is that Neuville was served the championship on a silver platter and blew these many great chances, such is the narrative? In 2018 and 2019 he performed a bit worse than each world champion and had a less reliable car on average. One can say 2017, even if the whole championship was sort of a comeback after the first 2 rounds.
After that we have 2020-2021-2022-2023 in which Hyundai was sub-par and the infinite amount of technical troubles prevented even champion Tanak to be a serious challenge for the title. (2020 manufacturer title only the gods know how Hyundai won it, with the silly 3 point scoring drivers rule).
I think Hyundai are aware of their level. I don't see why they would blame a driver for mistakes he did 6 years ago, when it's 4 seasons the car is slower and less reliable than Toyota.

[becher]

It's a bit of a pointless discussion as this forum gas it's allegiances and they are certainly not with Neuville. But I must say<, I always wonder how useless legends of the sport like Munari, Biasion, Alen, McRea, Solberg, Grönholm or even Latvala were. After all, all of them "just" won between 10 and 30 rallies but had fluctuating form or were to accident prone.

[denkimi]

somewhat related but not quite: do some people think that either tanak or rovanpera would have been champion if they would have had a full season doing ogier as teammate?

[becher]

somewhat related but not quite: do some people think that either tanak or rovanpera would have been champion if they would have had a full season doing ogier as teammate?

Rovanperä yes.

[EstWRC]

somewhat related but not quite: do some people think that either tanak or rovanpera would have been champion if they would have had a full season doing ogier as teammate?

Both yes

[doubled1978]

somewhat related but not quite: do some people think that either tanak or rovanpera would have been champion if they would have had a full season doing ogier as teammate?

Difficult to say, but they are the two in recent history who could potentially beat Ogier over a season in the same car.
I don’t underestimate just how good Ogier is though, both Tanak & Rovanpera have the speed, but Ogier’s consistency is remarkable and very difficult to match.
I would say possible, but very difficult for both.

[denkimi]

ogier has done 3 rallies this year and only a penalty+flat tyre in croatia have stopped him from winning them all 3. ogier and tanak were in the same team in 2017 and ogier had 42 points more at the end of the year.

i can understand some people are really big fans but let's be factual. if ogier was in the toyota in 2019 tanak would almost certain not have been champion. and if ogier did a full season in 2022, rovanpera would most likely also not have been champion.

[bomber21]

somewhat related but not quite: do some people think that either tanak or rovanpera would have been champion if they would have had a full season doing ogier as teammate?

No, I believe Ogier would be the champ.

[EstWRC]

ogier has done 3 rallies this year and only a penalty+flat tyre in croatia have stopped him from winning them all 3. ogier and tanak were in the same team in 2017 and ogier had 42 points more at the end of the year.

i can understand some people are really big fans but let's be factual. if ogier was in the toyota in 2019 tanak would almost certain not have been champion. and if ogier did a full season in 2022, rovanpera would most likely also not have been champion.

how can you be factual about things which didn’t happen?

Was, would, almost, likely - but didn’t happen

[cali]

Ogier has had significant starting position advantage + Monte in his backyard. A lot of people seem to forget or miscalculate about this.

For me it is very interesting to see if he can win Championship this year with mathematics alone which means calculating in which events to start and which to pass to gain again significant advantage in starting positions. Also a lot of team/drivers help him with amateurish mistakes as well which ofc tells a lot about Ogier's greatness but it has many nuances for this season so you can't make any assumptions about speed just looking at the standings.

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