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1st May 2023, 07:17 #4801
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Let's look at the statistics in the three seasons Tänak and Neuville were in Hyundai together.
Tänak: 16 podiums including 5 wins.
Neuville: 15 podiums including 5 wins.
Those figures don't support your statement that Neuville is the only one who makes Hyundai look good. Tänak did it as well.
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1st May 2023, 08:11 #4802
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LOUBET CAN SEE WHERE HE’S LOSING OUT TO TÄNAK
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loube...-out-to-tanak/#8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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1st May 2023, 09:43 #4803
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1st May 2023, 11:18 #4804
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As you can read in my statement, I didn't claim that Neuville made Hyundai look good on its own. I asked to look at the three seasons together and what you can see there are the stats you found and that Neuville scored more points (and about three more stage wins) in those three seasons together. They were fairly evenly matched in those times, except I'd claim that Neuville could extract more from the at first lackluster Rally1 in early 2022.
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1st May 2023, 15:01 #4805
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2nd May 2023, 16:34 #4806
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Rich the ostrich
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3rd May 2023, 07:16 #4807
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Concludes it very well how journalists spotlight changes the perspective.
Tänak is man of few words with no-filter attitude, maximalist with knowledge what he wants from the car - and if he is not happy, he says it out. And if journalists are not able or do not want or can not to ask questions in any other topic, it feels like there are only problems with the car.
Was it because of shifted-focus (Breen incident) or something else - but I think there were not that much complaining from Tänak in Croatia (this is how I felt, I did not do any stats for that)
I don't say that there are no problems - we all see that there are. But like Rich pointed out - everyone have problems and everyone are working to get them solved.
I hope drivers are earning wins because of good driving, not because if (not driver caused) technical failures. But it's technical sport, technical failures are part of it.
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3rd May 2023, 09:08 #4808
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Your constant sniping at M-Sport is just what Milllener is talking about. Some people cant wait to jump on them whenever there's an issue.
They forget that it's not a fully-factory team with unlimited £millions to throw at the car, like Toyota & Hyundai. And that they spent a lot of their budget paying to get Tanak in a Puma, which every fan of WRC should be grateful for...
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3rd May 2023, 18:27 #4809
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Millener is refusing to acknowledge in that interview that reliability has been a big issue since they launched the rally1 car. Tanak will be "sniping" for the rest of the season if they can't get on top of all the various niggly (or big issues) they have.
This is the top level, and Millener has already said some questionable things this season (even in regards to the rally2 car, which is apparently more setup issues according to him when they lose time - despite the fact everyone knows the engine has never been good enough and other big developments need to come).
Tanak wants the bestLast edited by er88; 3rd May 2023 at 18:39.
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3rd May 2023, 18:59 #4810
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I agree with you.
He sounds like a 5 year old in that interview who denies he stole a candy, although he did#8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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