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[PLuto]

So why should that be exclusion and not 19 min penalty?

In regional championship, maximum permitted lateness is 15 min.

[PLuto]

In the itenary TC10B has "early check-in" (allowed) both in German and English.

Why should he be excluded again?

Because in supplementary regulations and itinerary in supplementary regulations it is not allowed... And any similar change must be made by bulletin...

[mknight]

Because in supplementary regulations and itinerary in supplementary regulations it is not allowed... And any similar change must be made by bulletin...

The supplementary regulations on Sportity don't have annexes (which include itinerary).

However, the itinerary that is on Sportity has the early check in allowed. It is listed as comming from 20.10. EDIT: That itinerary says "Annex 1" on top so it looks like part of Sporting Regulations".

What specific procedures are needed for that one to be valid I have no idea, but if anything it is an organizer mess.

[mknight]

In regional championship, maximum permitted lateness is 15 min.

Where does it say that lateness is the same as "as earliness" in the regulations? Only mention is that being early does not reduce the lateness. (i.e. being early in one tc doesn't mean you can exceed lateness on next).

[PLuto]

The supplementary regulations on Sportity don't have annexes (which include itinerary).

However, the itinerary that is on Sportity has the early check in allowed. It is listed as comming from 20.10.

What specific procedures are needed for that one to be valid I have no idea, but if anything it is an organizer mess.

For sure it is organizer mess. Appendix 1 is available on "another" official noticeboard, which was working before sportity was started and was used as platform for entry list - https://www.dmsb-sport.de/25_Interna...er_Aushang.php

Procedures to be valid are very clear - any change in supplementary regulations or itinerary must be made by bulletin.

And in addition, in rules there is point 44.2.11 - Provided that it has been stated in the Supplementary Regulations of the rally or is indicated in a later bulletin, the organisers may authorise crews to check in before time without incurring any penalty.

For sure this was not stated in supplementary regulations or any bulletin for TC 10B...

[PLuto]

Where does it say that lateness is the same as "as earliness" in the regulations? Only mention is that being early does not reduce the lateness. (i.e. being early in one tc doesn't mean you can exceed lateness on next).

Yes, you are correct. Not excluded/retired, but he should receive huge penalty.

[mknight]

For sure it is organizer mess. Appendix 1 is available on "another" official noticeboard, which was working before sportity was started and was used as platform for entry list - https://www.dmsb-sport.de/25_Interna...er_Aushang.php

Procedures to be valid are very clear - any change in supplementary regulations or itinerary must be made by bulletin.

And in addition, in rules there is point 44.2.11 - Provided that it has been stated in the Supplementary Regulations of the rally or is indicated in a later bulletin, the organisers may authorise crews to check in before time without incurring any penalty.

For sure this was not stated in supplementary regulations or any bulletin for TC 10B...

This "old" itinerary has even the TCS named differently.
TC10B is Service out, while in the Annex 1 on Sportity it is Service in.

Since the one on Sportity is marked as Annex 1 it is seemingly part of Sporting Regulations and has newer date.

I don't have any idea when the Sporting Regulations are supposed to be valid and how are they distributed besides Sportity. But using the newest Annex 1 there is no breach of rules.

[PLuto]

This "old" itinerary has even the TCS named differently.
TC10B is Service out, while in the Annex 1 on Sportity it is Service in.

Since the one on Sportity is marked as Annex 1 it is seemingly part of Sporting Regulations and has newer date.

I don't have any idea when the Sporting Regulations are supposed to be valid and how are they distributed besides Sportity. But using the newest Annex 1 there is no breach of rules.

You are wrong, it is breach of rules. Any change to regulations (including appendixes) must be made by bulletin. Publication as "other documents" on sportity one day before the start is not valid, sorry.

[Lead]

But there is black shadow on this win. Mikkelsen should be excluded for early arrival to TC 10B. And 200 euro cash penalty for not following the roadbook (missed refuel zone and tyre marking zone) is also a joke...

Is that a co-drivers mistake or done on purpose? I mean can crew gain some "advantage" by doing so or its simply a inattention?

[Neige]

Been there from thursday.
The car looks amazing. Tottaly. The aerodynamics is much more improved. And the old Škoda sound is so much in the bones after all these years, that is really strange to hear new one. But it's also nice though.

The stages were really tricky as always, it's more about surviving than raw speed. There were a lot rain during reece and night before rally.

About penalties - I dont know exact situation, but whole rally organisation is quite messy. There was a huge lack of information, both for crews, both for not local spectators. Some written rules were not followed by a lot of crews and nobody cared. For some crews rules were applied, for other - not. So I'm not surprised about Andreas situation.
You could feel that is a regional rally with a lot of unwrittten rules and niuances.