M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If the timeline listed during the interviews with MSport last year is correct all these podiums happened after he signed for MSport.

(They said that negotiations started during Sardinia and contract was signed before Estonia)

Can be an indicator he performs best when not under pressure.

He had (and now has) a two-year contact at Msport so why is this more pressure ?

The fact of driving a new car Rally1 (Puma) and doing many new rallies is more likely the cause...

[cali]

He had very good car developed for these rallies. Now he has to develop the car which is a lot more different task and difficult.

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[AnttiL]

the funny thing is that is you alone that come up again with the mikkelsen broken record.

Actually the article mentions Mikkelsen as well:

A driver like WRC2 champion and three-time WRC winner Andreas Mikkelsen would potentially be a way to guarantee more consistent results, so should M-Sport make a move to bring him in for some rallies?

“There’s a lot of comments about it, but we have commitments to the drivers we have in the team and I think Malcolm [Wilson, managing director]’s approach is the same as the way I see it, when you commit to somebody for the season it’s fair to give them the chance for the season,” Millener responded.

[wyler]

Actually the article mentions Mikkelsen as well:

mmm yes, but not related.
he wasn't talking about that, he was talking directly to me (because i said "unemployed drivers"):

"Instead of addressing it you go with "but but Mikkelsen", when I was arguing for expanded program for Loeb.
When out of arguments..."

a bit unpolite.
i'm sorry but i don't like when people put words in my mouth just to validate their points.

[speederbee]

Well I'm looking forward to seeing Loeb in Acropolis, though it sure would be nice to get him in the car for another asphalt rally.

From what I recall of Loeb's full time career, sure he was fast on gravel, but he was untouchable on tarmac. I think he won every single tarmac rally in the last like 5 or 6 years of his career? It was as if everyone else was only showing up to those to see who would get 2nd

[Eli]

Well I'm looking forward to seeing Loeb in Acropolis, though it sure would be nice to get him in the car for another asphalt rally.

From what I recall of Loeb's full time career, sure he was fast on gravel, but he was untouchable on tarmac. I think he won every single tarmac rally in the last like 5 or 6 years of his career? It was as if everyone else was only showing up to those to see who would get 2nd

Unfortunately I don't think we'll see Loeb on tarmac again and if we do it will only be in MC, as the number of tarmac events has (according to rumours) been reduced to 3 for 2023. I also recall he had one every tarmac event from 2006's Germany until 2011 in Germany where Ogier beat him.

[mknight]

man, you are just repeating the same things as before...
there's no one experienced to hire, money or not. hope this is not slipping again toward some infamous unemployed driver...

https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1306856

the funny thing is that is you alone that come up again with the mikkelsen broken record.

i said driverS (plural), referring totally to the same list you did after (i used "unemployed" referring to wrc1, of course), it took you an edit to get into the discussion, that speaks for itself...

on the main topic, i ll not repeat again for the 3rd time. it is totally ok for me if you believe it's a contradiction.
i hope you already know because speaking about "more Loeb" is pure nonsense. he's doing wrc to fill the gaps between his true employment, and greece is the best example to testify.

mmm yes, but not related.
he wasn't talking about that, he was talking directly to me (because i said "unemployed drivers"):

"Instead of addressing it you go with "but but Mikkelsen", when I was arguing for expanded program for Loeb.
When out of arguments..."

a bit unpolite.
i'm sorry but i don't like when people put words in my mouth just to validate their points.

Amazing, Freudian slip(s) in practice. This whole exchange should be used in psycho classes.

1. Here are your own words and then you twice deny them (feel free to check the order of how things were posted). Yep I alone came with your post.

2. "It took you an edit to get into a discussion". Says all about you approach to talking about topics on a public internet forum.

[mknight]

He had (and now has) a two-year contact at Msport so why is this more pressure ?

The fact of driving a new car Rally1 (Puma) and doing many new rallies is more likely the cause...

Millener said it himself before Finland. The pressure is that if Breen doesn't get a good results on a rally nobody else from that team does (unless Loeb is there).

Also note that this year Breen does "worst" (in terms of crashes anyway) at the rallies that are not new and where he is expected to perform (Sweden, Estonia, Finland). Ypres is next and last in that line, so hopefully it breaks the spell.

[wyler]

https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1306856





Amazing, Freudian slip(s) in practice. This whole exchange should be used in psycho classes.

1. Here are your own words and then you twice deny them (feel free to check the order of how things were posted). Yep I alone came with your post.

2. "It took you an edit to get into a discussion". Says all about you approach to talking about topics on a public internet forum.

1. man, isn't that too much?? i agree i did a typo missing an s, but it's pretty clear that's written about driver(s) in general. if i want to say mikkelsen (as you later insinuated) i do write mikkelsen, why should i hide the names?? that's a bit paranoid... guess every other people here got it quite right.
I get you are edgy on that topic, but using other people's words (or mistakes, in that case) to steer the conversation there is a bit meh.

2. It says much more on the same issue about you, honestly. You were probably wrong footed there on this Mikkelsen insinuation, and should not be that much of a problem if you just leave it, and not attack people because of a typo...
let's stop this before it becomes a farce about parapraxis.

[Danny0405]

Well I'm looking forward to seeing Loeb in Acropolis, though it sure would be nice to get him in the car for another asphalt rally.

From what I recall of Loeb's full time career, sure he was fast on gravel, but he was untouchable on tarmac. I think he won every single tarmac rally in the last like 5 or 6 years of his career? It was as if everyone else was only showing up to those to see who would get 2nd

Well, he was naturally better on tarmac as he was more used to (remember his 1st outing in San Remo in 2001 against Tarmac Master Panizzi + Monte Carlo and Germany in 2002) but he was not untouchable on it in the second half of his prime, with no team order, I think Sordo or Ogier could have beaten him «*loyally*» in two or three tarmac rallies in the 2009-2011 period.
But anyway, with Prodrive having the priority and Rally-Raids being postponed, New Zealand and Catalunya were not possible so Acropolis was almost the only possibility (even if Ypres would have sound interesting IMO but the knowledge sounds important there). Maybe he could do Japan in addition but could be only late decision as M-Sport will only bring 3 cars in the Pacific.