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[WRCStan]

Naturally there is a delay. What you have seen on All live in reality happened many, many seconds ago. Delay is because of transmission and also live is delayed to allow director to switch in time to correct camera or cut the stream from camera in case something bad happen (like Suninen in Portugal). So in fact what you can see happened +- 30 seconds ago...

A broadcast delay makes perfect sense. A production delay does not. The director is not saying "run the graphics, and Paul you talk about this in 30 seconds time."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another issue is the ERC events now being covered by the same people and commentators. It all getting much too samey.

Previously we had Chris Rawes who did it with Julian Porter and they were great on radio and the odd live YT stage and I miss that different way and feel.

[J4MIE]

With 4G connection in the woods we counted almost 2 min of delay on stageside.

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Yes more like 2 min from my experience too.

[ouvreur]

I've thought about this a lot over the last couple of months / events. Is WRC All Live really worth it?

How many people actually sit and watch it for the whole weekend? As in, every second it's online?

How many people find out what they need to find out about an event from it (as opposed to on social media)?

How much of what is being broadcast is truly interesting, breathtaking, spectacular stuff (as a proportion of the time it's on-air)?

How much do people enjoy seeing and hearing the same talking heads saying basically the same things event after event?

Is it really worth forcing events to follow an itinerary and timetable that suits being 'All Live', to the detriment of practically every person actually involved in the event? Are so many people watching it that it makes sense for crews to be in their cars for 12-14 hours some days just to do around 120 competitive km? That's before we even speak about the utterly mental hours some mechanics / engineers have to do...

Does watching hours of (mostly) pretty ordinary onboard footage with hardly anything happening, Julian Porter chatting over the top of it, and 1/100 stage end 'interviews' being of any interest at all, give us any more than rally radio and an hourly highlights / catch-up show would do?

Don't get me wrong. I like it, and I'm sad enough to have it running from dawn til dusk during events, regardless of my apathy toward the commentary team. I can understand the value it has for teams too, to be able to see in real time how their cars / crews are performing.

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

[DoN_cz]

And now imagine that all of this is being produced for ERC as well. That is overkill IMHO. And just like you, I have All Live running basically all day on my TV.

[trifonvl]

You said it all

[Lancia Stratos]

I've thought about this a lot over the last couple of months / events. Is WRC All Live really worth it?

How many people actually sit and watch it for the whole weekend? As in, every second it's online?

How many people find out what they need to find out about an event from it (as opposed to on social media)?

How much of what is being broadcast is truly interesting, breathtaking, spectacular stuff (as a proportion of the time it's on-air)?

How much do people enjoy seeing and hearing the same talking heads saying basically the same things event after event?

Is it really worth forcing events to follow an itinerary and timetable that suits being 'All Live', to the detriment of practically every person actually involved in the event? Are so many people watching it that it makes sense for crews to be in their cars for 12-14 hours some days just to do around 120 competitive km? That's before we even speak about the utterly mental hours some mechanics / engineers have to do...

Does watching hours of (mostly) pretty ordinary onboard footage with hardly anything happening, Julian Porter chatting over the top of it, and 1/100 stage end 'interviews' being of any interest at all, give us any more than rally radio and an hourly highlights / catch-up show would do?

Don't get me wrong. I like it, and I'm sad enough to have it running from dawn til dusk during events, regardless of my apathy toward the commentary team. I can understand the value it has for teams too, to be able to see in real time how their cars / crews are performing.

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

Think you answered your own question in the penultimate paragraph!

But I guess a lot of people don't watch it live - but sit down when they feel like it and select what they want to watch. Horses for courses.

[AndersX]

I am one of those who try to have WRC+ in the background as long as possible during the rally days. But after watching Estonia, just partly, i could not get out of the feeling that it all starts to look boring, predictable, even artificial. I also think thag WRC+ is annoying since day one, e.g. results and driver comments I am checking only via E-Wrc app.

[PLuto]

Another issue is the ERC events now being covered by the same people and commentators. It all getting much too samey.

Previously we had Chris Rawes who did it with Julian Porter and they were great on radio and the odd live YT stage and I miss that different way and feel.

During last ERC rounds, in the service area I have heard many times, that rally radio was better than All Live...

[WRCStan]

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

What's to be gained from scrapping it? Itineraries were always long days for crews and mechanics, isn't that part of the game? And what's really different? Top 15 cars don't overlap?

Consider this: alllive is not the flagship entertainment package we think of it. The cameras and reporters are there anyway to gather everything for the purpose of highlights and TV live stages, and those on the car are for stewards and safety surveillance in Rally HQ. It's their jobs to stay on top of everything even without all live, so broadcasting live is squeezing extra value, is easy and monetisable.

It was never aimed at being watched all the way through from start to finish by subscribers, there's no prizes for doing that and there are off buttons. So if you're asking yourself "why am I watching?", turn it off once in a while maybe? Typically, rallies get less entertaining as it progresses, so cut Sunday's stages out for a start and catch up on the powerstage. That once-in-fifty-rallies event where the rally leader bins it by mistake on a Sunday really ain't worth it to say you saw it LIVE! Second step is go further when there isn't a race on, stick just to the live TV stages on Saturday, then maybe also Friday. Suddenly the commentators and stage ends aren't repetitive but informative.

I didn't bother with Saturday at all for Estonia after gauging from the Friday leaderboard, scrolled though the chat here to see if there was much to catch up on. No, lol. But you betcha though, when a Loeb v Ogier at Monte comes along you'll be wishing you could see it (all) instead of listening to a chap on the radio speculating and hypothesising.