Rally1 hybrid cars (2022-)

[wyler]

I don't agree. The teams have been made to use this equipment, there is no choice of supplier, the specification and design is dictated to the teams who effectively have to build their cars around it. Other than the FIA monitoring systems and TV equipment, there's nothing else like this in Rally1 cars - and those aren't performance / reliability critical parts anyway.

In the case of Tanak, it failed in a situation where it simply should not have done so. It's not like he was going 1000x harder than anyone else, even before the issue began to develop he was only 4.2 seconds up on Lappi. These hybrid units need to be able to deal with the stresses of rally drivers trying to drive fast, otherwise what is the point of them?

If it were the case that teams could either outsource or develop their own e-drive systems, we would not be having this conversation. But the fact is, they don't, and we've already seen one high-profile example of a team and a driver being let down by a part they have no choice but to use. It's fair enough to ask for a less severe consequence than having to retire the car and take 10 minute penalties for each missing stage in this case.

as just said above, tires are the same. fuel is the same. lots of other parts are the same. at this point u should complain for a rollcage damage because the frame is imposed by fia?

anyway, there's a limit in everything, and drivers must comply with it. it sounds very like the argument about the rim that "wasn't strong enough" (for the same driver, if i recollect rightly). of course, you can aim for the best, of course, people will work on making things better. but failure happens anyway. and everybody have to comply with the current state of the art. then things can (and clearly have to) improve, but to me, this is a pointless complaint. and it's not like ten car didn't started in 2 races. it was a couple of car after previous crashes/hit.

[wyler]

I can't think of many situations where it can be proved beyond doubt that a tyre has failed because of a manufacturing or design fault.

which as far as today, it's the same for hybrid...

[dupanton]

It's part of the sport as it is now. Get over it.
Things can fail. If your car fails, you retire. It's like that. Doesn't matter if the part is mandated by FIA or not.

Also, He had a very big impact after a jump. That could have caused the issue. It's difficult to say when it's the fault of the driver/team and when it isn't.
To avoid discussions, they have to keep the rules as it is now. It's maybe harsh, but at least the rules are clear.

[TypeR]

If the car and crew can finish the stage with good time and car is working, the impact can't be that big. The magic system must stay ok after bumps and smaller hits.

Doesn't matter that the rules are clear if they are stupid.
It's not normal that you have to stay fingers crossed hoping that green light would stay on.

Puncture - repairable
Bodywork - repairable
Engine issues - repairable
Suspension - repairable
HY system - can't do anything and works whenever it wants.

[AnttiL]

More punctures than spares = nothing you can do

Alternator broken = hopefully you’re close to service

Also if you have oil pressure warning, it’s likely you just have to stop to prevent further damage

[PLuto]

More punctures than spares = nothing you can do

Not true. You can take more spares (if you are risking with only one) or you can make less punctures

[wyler]

If the car and crew can finish the stage with good time and car is working, the impact can't be that big. The magic system must stay ok after bumps and smaller hits.

Doesn't matter that the rules are clear if they are stupid.
It's not normal that you have to stay fingers crossed hoping that green light would stay on.

Puncture - repairable
Bodywork - repairable
Engine issues - repairable
Suspension - repairable
HY system - can't do anything and works whenever it wants.

not true. it's all about how bad is the damage, as for everything. engine failure can stop you right at the end of ss to avoid more damage (it happened a lot of time). bad managed puncture can end your race (happened one month ago). suspension also can end a race on spot, depending on how bad. and the same as the hybrid unit. you can service it or change it in case of small failure ( we had drivers without power in some ss, then repaired).

you can drive well and finish a stage with good time with a car that has rollbar bent, still this will end your race (and with no rally2).

really i can't find a big difference between hy and other parts, if not a prejudicial aversion vs a new tech.

[wyler]

Not true. You can take more spares (if you are risking with only one) or you can make less punctures

exactly on point. take care of your machinery.

[spiderem]

exactly on point. take care of your machinery.

And Tanak hasn't been the wisest lately in his choices of spare tyres number...

[becher]

One recurring theme with these discussions is Tanäk. Whenever something "bad" happens to him people are up in arms and want the regulations changed. Being a fan is normal but this seems to go beyond. Failures happen, misfortune is a thing, get over it.