WHY - North American races

[LeonBrooke]

Yes, but it's a sign of Champcar's moribundity that in the last couple of years, it's gone nowhere outside north America (apart from Australia - I just remembered...). This year is the exception, not the rule.

And anyway - how can you have a world championship with a single-car series?

[jso1985]

I don't see the relation between not being world championship and a single-car series?

Champ Cars might be a F1 feeder series(or more like a F1 reject series) but they don't aim at being that so I don't see them "downgraded" to support racing.

Didn't Mexico kicked USA's butt in the Baseball World Cup last year?(or however it was called, it included MLB players IIRC) :

[nigelred5]

Multiple countries? Three does not make a world championship. Don't be silly.



If you insist. I must have been misinformed.

USA, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Belgium, and Holland this year. Bernie and Max got their fingers in the cancelled Zuhai, China race, though CC doesn't need a whole lot of help screwing things up lately

In my math that would have been seven countries on 4 continents, but as it is now, that makes six, not three countries. In years past that list also has included Japan, Brazil, England and Germany. Drivers from 14 countries so far in this year's driver list in ChampCar. I believe that's the same number of countries represented in race day drivers in F1. Qualifies as a World Championship in my book.

[OmarF1]

I think Champ Car did share a weekend with F1 at Montreal a few years ago. And the Indy Pro Series does run as a support race before the USGP. They've tried, and they've failed.



What hockey league is superior to the NHL? What baseball league is superior to MLB? I could raise similar questions for the NFL and NBA. They can call themselves "World Champions" because they know that they are in fact superior to all other leagues and draw all the best players.

Maybe this is true, but AMERICAN FOOTBALL is only played there, Baseball is popular mostly there too, Japan, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela play baseball too but in fact most places outside the U.S. nobody gives a s#!t about baseball and american football, same as they don't care about F1 and games are played only in the U.S. and some major Canada Cities, NBA, NHL and MLB are huge and the best leagues to play this, but you don't see the UEFA Champions League' champion claiming itself as the WORLD CHAMP, and truly the UEFA Champions League' it is the best league' of football clubs on earth, i guess it is just an American-Megalomaniac thing.

PS. some american artists, specially rappers claim they had a world tour and you ask, where did you go, which parts of the world did you visit? Chicago, Miami, NY, LA, Texas, and Toronto. LOL!!

[call_me_andrew]

Well the UEFA is a subordinate to FIFA, and I can't explain why but players seem to be migrating to MLS. I'm guessing it stems from a desire to play in front of an NFL Europa size crowd.

[wmcot]

It seems like this thread has drifted way off topic into discussing what a "World Championship" is...but, I'll throw my opinion in the ring. Champ Car calls itself a World Series because nobody else is racing Champ Cars - they are the only ones in the world doing that. F1 is a World Series because there is no other F1 series that competes.

If you have the only event of its kind in the world and you win it, doesn't that make you the World's Champion in that event? F1 drivers are not claiming to be World Champion Drag racers or NASCAR drivers, they can claim to be World Champion F1 drivers and constructors.

[LeonBrooke]

My friends at school liked to make up games to play with chess pieces. They'd get about half a dozen people interested. Did the best player of them have the right to call herself a world champion? In my opinion, no. If they'd had players from all over the world then yes she would have, but since only ten people at the most even knew it existed, and even fewer were interested, then no; she's merely the best out of a small pool of 15-year-olds at a game which everyone will have forgotten in a week.

[wmcot]

My friends at school liked to make up games to play with chess pieces. They'd get about half a dozen people interested. Did the best player of them have the right to call herself a world champion? In my opinion, no. If they'd had players from all over the world then yes she would have, but since only ten people at the most even knew it existed, and even fewer were interested, then no; she's merely the best out of a small pool of 15-year-olds at a game which everyone will have forgotten in a week.

Maybe if they were paid professionals watched by a huge audience of fans...

[LeonBrooke]

My point is that the only people who knew about their games and wanted to participate were a small group of 15-year-olds. With Champcar, who wants to participate? No one. The all want to be in F1. F1 is the world championship because it's what everyone aspires to. Champcar is a stopgap until the drivers graduate or, as someone said, a place for them to go once they've been rejected by F1. Uniqueness doesn't make it a world championship.

[wmcot]

I think we're down to the point of arguing semantics, now. Perhaps this should be discussed on a linguistics forum...