2021 - Race 14 Itallian GP at Monza

[denkimi]

I think what need to be put into perspective here is that Verstappens crash into Hamilton in Monza was actually a lot more dangerous than the incident between the two in Silverstone. Verstappen went in sideways into the barrier, this is the best possible angle one can crash at. Even 20 years ago Verstappen would have come out of that crash with little more than a scratch and I remember Michael Schumacher having a very similar incident in Copse at around the same speed in one of the free practice sessions many years ago and he went onto race the next day.

On the other hand, had the Monza crash occurred 4 seasons ago, it is almost certain it would have been fatal for Hamilton, or at the very best he would have ended up crippled for the remainder of his life.

I agree however that this is not relevant to the punishment but I think people seem to think just because it's 51G it's more critical, but that's not the case.

It depens on what you consider dangerous.

The accident itself in monza was not dangerous at all, just wheels banging at low speed. But due to the curb trowing the car in the air the outcome was unexpectedly dangerous. In pretty much al other cases this would have been a completely forgettable moment.
Nobody could foresee that anything so dangerous was going to happen there.

But in silverstone, at those speeds, it was always going to be dangerous. Any 300 km/h crash is a big risk, even when in hindsight nobody got seriously hurt.

That's why these punishments are just not correct. Doing a stupid attempt at overtaking in a slow chicane is not comparable to doing a stupid attempt at overtaking in the fastest corner of the race.

[Nitrodaze]

It depens on what you consider dangerous.

The accident itself in monza was not dangerous at all, just wheels banging at low speed. But due to the curb trowing the car in the air the outcome was unexpectedly dangerous. In pretty much al other cases this would have been a completely forgettable moment.
Nobody could foresee that anything so dangerous was going to happen there.

But in silverstone, at those speeds, it was always going to be dangerous. Any 300 km/h crash is a big risk, even when in hindsight nobody got seriously hurt.

That's why these punishments are just not correct. Doing a stupid attempt at overtaking in a slow chicane is not comparable to doing a stupid attempt at overtaking in the fastest corner of the race.

I suppose, you need someone to die first before you acknowledge that it was dangerous. Knowing you, you would say the opposite if it was the Redcbull of Verstappen under the Mercedes of Hamilton. In this scenario, you can also imagine Horner spewing his heart out at how dangerous Hamilton was and why he should be banned from racing altogether for causing a crash and dumping his race car on Verstappen's head. Since the whiner lacks any sense of morality or a modicum of a sense of fairness, we have him asking for Hamilton to be penalized for being a victim in the crash.

[truefan72]

I suppose, you need someone to die first before you acknowledge that it was dangerous. Knowing you, you would say the opposite if it was the Redcbull of Verstappen under the Mercedes of Hamilton. In this scenario, you can also imagine Horner spewing his heart out at how dangerous Hamilton was and why he should be banned from racing altogether for causing a crash and dumping his race car on Verstappen's head. Since the whiner lacks any sense of morality or a modicum of a sense of fairness, we have him asking for Hamilton to be penalized for being a victim in the crash.

Horner is an embarrassment to F1

[F1nKS]

Horner is an embarrassment to F1

That is a little drama queenish. Drive to Survive loves him!

Like it or not - F1 Show. They need/want personalities. Because whether you like it or not - that is where the money is. They want social media presence, drama, personalities, Instagram, driver's girlfriends on youtube, etc. They are eating up the Toto vs. Horner.

Engineering is boring.

[Zico]

Engineering is boring.

Speak for yourself, I'm more into that than the circus show.

[F1nKS]

Speak for yourself, I'm more into that than the circus show.

I hear you.

But still, nobody cares about eigenvalues or eigenvectors. They are dear to my heart as a structural dynamics engineer, but they make the average person's eyes glaze over when I talk to people about them.

[airshifter]

I suppose, you need someone to die first before you acknowledge that it was dangerous. Knowing you, you would say the opposite if it was the Redcbull of Verstappen under the Mercedes of Hamilton. In this scenario, you can also imagine Horner spewing his heart out at how dangerous Hamilton was and why he should be banned from racing altogether for causing a crash and dumping his race car on Verstappen's head. Since the whiner lacks any sense of morality or a modicum of a sense of fairness, we have him asking for Hamilton to be penalized for being a victim in the crash.

You made a loaded statement, you mean more than you let on.

Have you really become so paranoid that you assume anyone who doesn't share your view has an hidden agenda against your favorite drivers, or have you become so arrogant that you think playing online psychologist suits you well? You seem to make a lot of arguments based on assumptions that you know a poster better than they know themselves, and it comes across as quite childish at best.

If something as simply as a clear yes or no question gets you all paranoid and pompous towards others, you really should rethink your views on posting in a public forum.

That is a little drama queenish. Drive to Survive loves him!

Like it or not - F1 Show. They need/want personalities. Because whether you like it or not - that is where the money is. They want social media presence, drama, personalities, Instagram, driver's girlfriends on youtube, etc. They are eating up the Toto vs. Horner.

Engineering is boring.

Speak for yourself, I'm more into that than the circus show.

I could live without all the drama myself. But it has become more and more part of the show. Why? Because some believe all this game playing and crap talking really matters, when really it's been going on for years but not covered as much.

And though I'm not into the minutia to the extent that F1nKS is, I do enjoy the tech side of F1 as much as the racing. The fact that the series exists has led to a lot of automotive innovation in a number of areas. As a test bed the series is just amazing, with a lot of innovation banned not long after introduction. But the fact that it's now out and exists always leaves it there as potential for street cars and/or other series.

[Zico]

I suppose, you need someone to die first before you acknowledge that it was dangerous. Knowing you, you would say the opposite if it was the Redcbull of Verstappen under the Mercedes of Hamilton. In this scenario, you can also imagine Horner spewing his heart out at how dangerous Hamilton was and why he should be banned from racing altogether for causing a crash and dumping his race car on Verstappen's head.

It turned it with the wheel landing on his head it was dangerous, sure... but if you are comparing recklessness and the speed between the two incidents in terms of responsibility its not even close, but despite that, as some sort of warped point scoring exercise between both of them you still feel the need to compare them.
Not only do I find this fanatical and cultish but the fact that you feel the need to use them in that way tells me that you know deep down that the danger aspect of what Lewis did at Silverstone registered deeply within you... that you feel the need to try to diminish it by make a bigger deal about Monza.

Since the whiner lacks any sense of morality or a modicum of a sense of fairness, we have him asking for Hamilton to be penalized for being a victim in the crash.

Did he state that as being his reason?... or are you just whining your usual warped nonsensical pish?
Could it just be that Horner (rightly or wrongly) feels aggrieved, in that his driver got penalised and Lewis did not, when he feels that Lewis was just as much to blame?