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    Quote Originally Posted by kiil View Post
    Simply stupid. It's beyond my understanding why you would put yourself and the entire sport at risk just to be 10 meters closer to the stage. It is like poland all over again, some countries just don't get it.
    At those speeds you can stand 100m from te stage and still be in danger.

    But there are indeed a lot of very stupid people in this world, looking at some videos.

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    Flaaatttt ouuuuttt https://youtu.be/Nh8JEP0xZwU
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    Quote Originally Posted by rp View Post
    Very, very lucky indeed! There has been good luck also earlier during the current World Rally Car era. It is hard to say, but these cars are just simply too fast! There are only current top 5 drivers who have enough skills to master them. Now it was Katsuta´s and Fourmaux´s turn to make a bad mistakes...

    True! Almost sure that if there had been fatalities Toyota would have ended their WRC program immediately...
    Agree. Also combination faster cars and tarmac rallies with tricky conditions, like Ypres. Just luck from many fatalities when Katsuta crashed.

    Gravel and snow is way safer in general, not to count the idiots always in wrong places...
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
    Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...

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    On tarmac you have full grip and when you lose the control you have zero grip. The car often even starts flying in the air, which means the speed is reduced less compared to sliding on gravel. This is apparent even from tarmac crashes with small FWD cars, let alone WRC monsters. Meanwhile on gravel you are usually already rotating/sliding the car when entering a corner, so it results in a roll which drains the movement energy and the car cannot change direction so quickly. Especially these fast tarmac rallies with bumpy surface are scary, both for the drivers and spectators. It's not so scary when the roads are slower (Corsica) or smoother (Catalunya).

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    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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    For me the current WRC cars changed the character of the Ypres Rally somewhat. They seemed too fast with the extra power and aero compared to previous cars I've ever watched on the event. They looked just brutal and like they were bludgeoning the roads into submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    For me the current WRC cars changed the character of the Ypres Rally somewhat. They seemed too fast with the extra power and aero compared to previous cars I've ever watched on the event. They looked just brutal and like they were bludgeoning the roads into submission.
    Completely agree.

    And that's why i think the discussion about spectators is useless. I think there is no safe place for spectators in Ypres. A car coming off road at 160/170km/h can go 100 or 200 mts inside the files is there is no phisical obstacle.
    Three gears are enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Quite lucky there was no tree-stump or rock there! (to break radiator). He could have even rolled down.

    It also happened just 2 corners before Ogiers puncture...and right infront of the WRC camera, yet we didn't get to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAM View Post
    Completely agree.

    And that's why i think the discussion about spectators is useless. I think there is no safe place for spectators in Ypres. A car coming off road at 160/170km/h can go 100 or 200 mts inside the files is there is no phisical obstacle.
    During Barum 2012 there was a fatal accident where a spectator was hit by a car rolling 140 meters. It was "stupid" gr.N Impreza...
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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