Should Redbull apologize?

[Bagwan]

If you apply the same criticism to other drivers in the same circumstances, then you would not stand out as targeting one individual. You cannot act the way you do and not expect people to notice.

Now you generalize that all people from a country are racist because they come from that country. The thing is, that could be said for any country on the planet. You are now targeting English people specifically in your statement of prejudice.

Everyone who has been following F1, knows the second seat at Redbull is in the difficult part of the Redbull garage for unknown reasons. Many have failed in that seat, not necessarily due to inability. But due to the very nature of how that part of the Redbull garage appears to operate. The mere fact that Perez has been the most successful driver to occupy that seat since Ricciardo, is not acknowledged by you. All you do is criticize.

That is the hardest seat in F1 for a driver to operate at their best. And the disparity between both cars in the Redbull garage tell the story. You have to take into consideration that Perez is a two times race winner. He knows how to win races. The up and down performance from him is not necessarily due to him alone. there are other factors involved. And your comments would be fair and insightful if you at least try to analyse those other factors. The fact that you have not even tried to look at those other factors comes across as a focused targeting of Perez.

He criticized both Perez and Bottas , and then you criticized him for only being critical of Perez .

" You cannot act the way you do and not expect people to notice."

[Nitrodaze]

He criticized both Perez and Bottas , and then you criticized him for only being critical of Perez .

" You cannot act the way you do and not expect people to notice."

He only brought Bottas in to save face. I am fed up with this. So let's park it, please. Everyone is entitled to act according to their intelligence. Just leave the rest of us out of it.

[F1nKS]

If you apply the same criticism to other drivers in the same circumstances, then you would not stand out as targeting one individual. You cannot act the way you do and not expect people to notice.

LOL, all you have to look at my post history. I have criticism of Hamilton, Perez, Bottas, Stroll, Mazespin, Kimi, Ricciardo...and even Verstappen.

Now you generalize that all people from a country are racist because they come from that country. The thing is, that could be said for any country on the planet. You are now targeting English people specifically in your statement of prejudice.

Actually those were Alonso words. He said that about the British. But I see you don't like your "schtick" turned back around on you.

Everyone who has been following F1, knows the second seat at Redbull is in the difficult part of the Redbull garage for unknown reasons. Many have failed in that seat, not necessarily due to inability. But due to the very nature of how that part of the Redbull garage appears to operate. The mere fact that Perez has been the most successful driver to occupy that seat since Ricciardo, is not acknowledged by you. All you do is criticize.

Plenty of other people who follow and talk about formula 1 are saying Perez has underperformed. The common theme is they look at Sainz, Perez and Ricciardo and the common theme is:

1. Sainz has adapted the quickest to his new drive and is helping his team.

2. Perez is in the middle of the two driver for adapting. Some good, but some very poor. Overall is underperforming for where the car performance.

3. Ricciardo has been the worst for adapting, but has somehow continue to find a way to at least stay in the points.

Perez was brought in for 1 reason - to be a Max wingman and to bring a championship. If he can't do the job, they would have been better off leaving Albon in the position and continue to develop.

That is the hardest seat in F1 for a driver to operate at their best. And the disparity between both cars in the Redbull garage tell the story. You have to take into consideration that Perez is a two times race winner.

This is such a weak argument. Look at the top 6 teams, 4 of those teams have big disparities between #1 and #2. Lucky for Red Bull that Bottas has a greater disparity than Red Bull between Hamilton and Bottas or they would be in trouble.

The issue for Red Bull is not some curse on Seat #2, the problem is Red Bull wasn't ready (nor were they expecting Ricciardo to go to Renault). They didn't have a backup plan. They rushed Gasly into the seat, pulled the rug out from under him mid-season and then rushed Albon into the seat. Two promising young drivers who were crushed. Now they are rushing Yuki into the 2nd team when he is not ready. That is the real issue. It not because Max is in the other car.

Meanwhile, Mercedes stuck their future hope in back of the grid team to have a low stress environment to learn. McClaren have brought Lando along slowly (though he is proving to be a special talent).

He knows how to win races.

He has had 2 wins, one last year and one this year. That not a long track record of winning success. He only has 2 podiums this year, in a car that should be fighting for podium every race.

The up and down performance from him is not necessarily due to him alone. there are other factors involved. And your comments would be fair and insightful if you at least try to analyse those other factors. The fact that you have not even tried to look at those other factors comes across as a focused targeting of Perez.

My opinion of Perez is he is a good mid-field racer who know how to look after his tires and that allow him the ability to grab good results when the opportunity presents itself. He is not very good at extracting single lap pace - so his qualifying is subpar. He seem to struggle with wheel to wheel racing (his effort against Leclerc and Norris highlighted that).

He is better at being a under-the-radar type guy, he doesn't seem to handle the pressure to well. Maybe we will see a different Perez in the 2nd half of the season.

I hope he has a great second half of the season and beats Bottas every time. It will be interesting to see if Red Bull renews his contract for next year during the summer break to take some of the pressure off him, or will they do what they did with Albon and wait...just because they don't think Perez has any better options.

I think it is 60% they keep him. I think the Mercedes announcement will set off things (for the whole grid). But Red Bull can be unpredictable.

[Bagwan]

LOL, all you have to look at my post history. I have criticism of Hamilton, Perez, Bottas, Stroll, Mazespin, Kimi, Ricciardo...and even Verstappen.




Actually those were Alonso words. He said that about the British. But I see you don't like your "schtick" turned back around on you.



Plenty of other people who follow and talk about formula 1 are saying Perez has underperformed. The common theme is they look at Sainz, Perez and Ricciardo and the common theme is:

1. Sainz has adapted the quickest to his new drive and is helping his team.

2. Perez is in the middle of the two driver for adapting. Some good, but some very poor. Overall is underperforming for where the car performance.

3. Ricciardo has been the worst for adapting, but has somehow continue to find a way to at least stay in the points.

Perez was brought in for 1 reason - to be a Max wingman and to bring a championship. If he can't do the job, they would have been better off leaving Albon in the position and continue to develop.



This is such a weak argument. Look at the top 6 teams, 4 of those teams have big disparities between #1 and #2. Lucky for Red Bull that Bottas has a greater disparity than Red Bull between Hamilton and Bottas or they would be in trouble.

The issue for Red Bull is not some curse on Seat #2, the problem is Red Bull wasn't ready (nor were they expecting Ricciardo to go to Renault). They didn't have a backup plan. They rushed Gasly into the seat, pulled the rug out from under him mid-season and then rushed Albon into the seat. Two promising young drivers who were crushed. Now they are rushing Yuki into the 2nd team when he is not ready. That is the real issue. It not because Max is in the other car.

Meanwhile, Mercedes stuck their future hope in back of the grid team to have a low stress environment to learn. McClaren have brought Lando along slowly (though he is proving to be a special talent).



He has had 2 wins, one last year and one this year. That not a long track record of winning success. He only has 2 podiums this year, in a car that should be fighting for podium every race.



My opinion of Perez is he is a good mid-field racer who know how to look after his tires and that allow him the ability to grab good results when the opportunity presents itself. He is not very good at extracting single lap pace - so his qualifying is subpar. He seem to struggle with wheel to wheel racing (his effort against Leclerc and Norris highlighted that).

He is better at being a under-the-radar type guy, he doesn't seem to handle the pressure to well. Maybe we will see a different Perez in the 2nd half of the season.

I hope he has a great second half of the season and beats Bottas every time. It will be interesting to see if Red Bull renews his contract for next year during the summer break to take some of the pressure off him, or will they do what they did with Albon and wait...just because they don't think Perez has any better options.

I think it is 60% they keep him. I think the Mercedes announcement will set off things (for the whole grid). But Red Bull can be unpredictable.

Nice analysis .

For Danny Ric , I remember an article that mentioned him asking Carlos "Why didn't you tell me about that?" .
What "that" referred to was not at all clear , but it's something that's very tricky and a real quirk for the Mac drivers to deal with .
And it looks worse for the honey badger because Lando has it down .

In a way , I think it is a little the same at Red Bull , where Max's style is hard to copy without time to learn a new way .

[F1nKS]

Nice analysis .

For Danny Ric , I remember an article that mentioned him asking Carlos "Why didn't you tell me about that?" .
What "that" referred to was not at all clear , but it's something that's very tricky and a real quirk for the Mac drivers to deal with .
And it looks worse for the honey badger because Lando has it down .

In a way , I think it is a little the same at Red Bull , where Max's style is hard to copy without time to learn a new way .

Yes. That is good points.

[Bagwan]

They get along like dogs and cats . That's why they couldn't live in the same corner .

Lewis likes dogs (vegan ones) , and Max likes cats (because they don't care) , and they never apologize .

This makes much more sense now .

[Nitrodaze]

LOL, all you have to look at my post history. I have criticism of Hamilton, Perez, Bottas, Stroll, Mazespin, Kimi, Ricciardo...and even Verstappen.




Actually those were Alonso words. He said that about the British. But I see you don't like your "schtick" turned back around on you.



Plenty of other people who follow and talk about formula 1 are saying Perez has underperformed. The common theme is they look at Sainz, Perez and Ricciardo and the common theme is:

1. Sainz has adapted the quickest to his new drive and is helping his team.

2. Perez is in the middle of the two driver for adapting. Some good, but some very poor. Overall is underperforming for where the car performance.

3. Ricciardo has been the worst for adapting, but has somehow continue to find a way to at least stay in the points.

Perez was brought in for 1 reason - to be a Max wingman and to bring a championship. If he can't do the job, they would have been better off leaving Albon in the position and continue to develop.



This is such a weak argument. Look at the top 6 teams, 4 of those teams have big disparities between #1 and #2. Lucky for Red Bull that Bottas has a greater disparity than Red Bull between Hamilton and Bottas or they would be in trouble.

The issue for Red Bull is not some curse on Seat #2, the problem is Red Bull wasn't ready (nor were they expecting Ricciardo to go to Renault). They didn't have a backup plan. They rushed Gasly into the seat, pulled the rug out from under him mid-season and then rushed Albon into the seat. Two promising young drivers who were crushed. Now they are rushing Yuki into the 2nd team when he is not ready. That is the real issue. It not because Max is in the other car.

Meanwhile, Mercedes stuck their future hope in back of the grid team to have a low stress environment to learn. McClaren have brought Lando along slowly (though he is proving to be a special talent).



He has had 2 wins, one last year and one this year. That not a long track record of winning success. He only has 2 podiums this year, in a car that should be fighting for podium every race.



My opinion of Perez is he is a good mid-field racer who know how to look after his tires and that allow him the ability to grab good results when the opportunity presents itself. He is not very good at extracting single lap pace - so his qualifying is subpar. He seem to struggle with wheel to wheel racing (his effort against Leclerc and Norris highlighted that).

He is better at being a under-the-radar type guy, he doesn't seem to handle the pressure to well. Maybe we will see a different Perez in the 2nd half of the season.

I hope he has a great second half of the season and beats Bottas every time. It will be interesting to see if Red Bull renews his contract for next year during the summer break to take some of the pressure off him, or will they do what they did with Albon and wait...just because they don't think Perez has any better options.

I think it is 60% they keep him. I think the Mercedes announcement will set off things (for the whole grid). But Red Bull can be unpredictable.

Sorry buddy, l think you are a Moron. This is that last words l care to share with you.

[Bagwan]

Sorry buddy, l think you are a Moron. This is that last words l care to share with you.

So , am I a Moron(capitalized for emphasis) , too ?

Just wondering(Moronically) .

By the way , any words you write on here will be shared with both of us , unless we were to block your posts .
I just thought I'd mention that .

I'm not about to block you .

[Zico]

So , am I a Moron(capitalized for emphasis) , too ?

Just wondering(Moronically) .

By the way , any words you write on here will be shared with both of us , unless we were to block your posts .
I just thought I'd mention that .

I'm not about to block you .

I guess most of us are here.. but I'm cool with that. Think it was Plato who once said 'One mans moron is anothers hero..' Jason Plato.

[Nitrodaze]

So , am I a Moron(capitalized for emphasis) , too ?

Just wondering(Moronically) .

By the way , any words you write on here will be shared with both of us , unless we were to block your posts .
I just thought I'd mention that .

I'm not about to block you .

Neither am l. I block no one regardless of how much l disagree with their point of view.

There is an old English saying "Birds of a feather flock together"