2021 Race 10 - British Grand Prix

[The Black Knight]

It's good to see the usual hamilton fanboys are still around to defend him, whatever happens.

To me it's pretty simple. It's a racing accident, caused by hamilton getting some red mist on his visor and acting stupidly aggressive.

There was nothing to gain here for hamilton. There was no way he was going to pass verstappen here.
Best case he compromises his exit speed and ends up behind verstappen anyway, and most likely gets passed by leclerc. Worst case he takes them both out.

It was a completely stupid and useless move. Something i would expect from mazepin, not from a 7 times world champion.

And his penalty was not even a penalty. He gained more than 30 seconds by being able to fix his wing during the red flag. Without it he should have been completely at the back of the pack, and he would have had no chance to win here. So only 10 seconds is laughable, it should have been a 10 seconds stop and go, just to compensate for the time he had gained.

Side by side and you say there was no way he was going to pass him? Take off the blinkers or go watch Golf.

[denkimi]

Side by side and you say there was no way he was going to pass him? Take off the blinkers or go watch Golf.

Side by side, that why he clipped the rear wheel with his front spoiler. :lol:

But i don't expect any kind of unbiassed view from you anyway. Hamilton could throw nails across the track or shoot his opponents tyres with a gun and you would still defend him.

[Nitrodaze]

It's good to see the usual hamilton fanboys are still around to defend him, whatever happens.

To me it's pretty simple. It's a racing accident, caused by hamilton getting some red mist on his visor and acting stupidly aggressive.

There was nothing to gain here for hamilton. There was no way he was going to pass verstappen here.
Best case he compromises his exit speed and ends up behind verstappen anyway, and most likely gets passed by leclerc. Worst case he takes them both out.

It was a completely stupid and useless move. Something i would expect from mazepin, not from a 7 times world champion.

And his penalty was not even a penalty. He gained more than 30 seconds by being able to fix his wing during the red flag. Without it he should have been completely at the back of the pack, and he would have had no chance to win here. So only 10 seconds is laughable, it should have been a 10 seconds stop and go, just to compensate for the time he had gained.

Ha ha Denkimi you are such a clown. Or high on something.

[Tazio]

Lol. That has been the red Bull Way and why, absolutely loathe Horner and Marko.
I remember all the shenanigans when they were on top of the world winning 4 straight.
And Vettel was their golden boy. He literally could do no wrong and effectively ran a 1 car team with Webber getting slagged constantly.

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot how much I disliked Horner and crew, back in the days of "Fettel".
Ends up Seb is a pretty good dude,

[Nitrodaze]

Side by side, that why he clipped the rear wheel with his front spoiler. :lol:

But i don't expect any kind of unbiassed view from you anyway. Hamilton could throw nails across the track or shoot his opponents tyres with a gun and you would still defend him.

Get your facts straight buddy. Go check out the slow-mo video of the incident on the skysport website. Then come back and tell us what you think.

[Fortitude]

Lewis Hamilton & Max Verstappen crash: Brit's comments back in 2018 are awkward now
By Harneet Singh Sethi
Published: 20 Jul 2021, 12:50

C&P extract;

After him and Max Verstappen contrived a collision, both blamed it on the other, but only one could blame and celebrate, and that was Hamilton. The majority of F1 fans, however, believe it was the Brit who caused the collision.

Following his sensational win, Hamilton said: "[On Saturday] I went down the left-hand side and I really regretted not going for the gap that was down the right-hand side and so I dummied him, moved to the left and then moved to the right for that gap.

"I was pretty far up alongside him but I then could see he wasn't going to back-out and we went into the corner and then we collided. Of course, that's never the way I ever want to win a race or just in general to race but these things do happen."

Quite measured words, aren’t they?

However, the balance of the words are outweighed by the underlying contradiction. Reason being, what happened to Verstappen here is very similar to what happened with Valtteri Bottas in 2018, with the driver causing the collision being Sebastian Vettel - who Hamilton was fighting at the time for the title.

Of course, neither did Vettel win the race - he finished fifth, while Bottas finished seventh - nor did Hamilton lose the championship, but here’s what he said of the clash, as per Sky Sports: "Ultimately, if you ruin someone's race because of a mistake, and you're able to come back to a place ahead of the other person, that penalty doesn't outweigh your mistake. You shouldn't be able to finish ahead of the other person if you take them out of the race. It's like you're violating the speed, but just let you go."

Obviously, nothing wrong with contradicting yourself, but this is elite sport and there’s only so many times you cut your own words to smithereens as per your convenience.

Read MORE here;

https://www.givemesport.com/1724603-...re-awkward-now


Lewis Hamilton issued 'statement of intent' to Max Verstappen but FIA may have to step in
Damon Hill believes Lewis Hamilton sent Max Verstappen a clear message during the British Grand Prix.
By Claire Cottingham
PUBLISHED: 10:32, Tue, Jul 20, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:57, Tue, Jul 20, 2021

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...en-FIA-F1-news


JULY 20, 2021
Hamilton eyed victory or death in British GP says press

Lewis Hamilton charged for "victory or death" before title rival Max Verstappen was tipped into a 51G crash at Silverstone's Copse corner on Sunday.
That is the view of one international media outlet in the highly-charged aftermath of the lap-1 incident that is now the major talking point in the British GP aftermath.

Former F1 driver Ralf Schumacher told Sky Deutschland that Hamilton's move was a "complete misjudgement" and "not a typical overtaking manoeuvre".

"If Lewis had stayed there, he would have pushed Max off the track. Instead, he pulled back and touched his rear wheel.

"Everyone knows from karting that you can't do that. It's damn dangerous to do it at that place," Schumacher added.

1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve told one outlet: "I think the pressure to not be beaten by Max at his home track was so great that he subconsciously accepted the risk.

I think he would have taken his foot off the gas in any other race," he added.

The Spanish sports daily Marca agrees.

"It was either victory or death for Hamilton at Silverstone, who said 'Basta!' to Verstappen on the first lap," the newspaper editorial reads.
"The Englishman refused to take his foot off the accelerator in front of his home crowd, and his doggedness led to a brutal accident for his Dutch rival."

Suddeutsche Zeitung correspondent Elmar Brummer opined: "Victory number 99 is perhaps the most questionable of Hamilton's career. And one of the most important.

"The tone of the entire championship may change now."
And Luigi Perna, of La Gazzetta dello Sport, surmised: "Hamilton made it clear that he is ready to do anything for the championship."

Corriere della Sera's Daniele Sparisci reported: "At Copse corner, Hamilton grabbed victory from Leclerc and also introduced us to his dark side."
Italian blogger Leo Turrini said: "I admire Lewis immensely, but a veteran doesn't make that kind of move at Copse on the first lap.

"The end result was Verstappen in hospital and a bad joke of a penalty. After all, you can win in many ways, but certain gestures cross lines and have consequences.

"I don't think Max will forget this," he added.

Finally, former Marussia car designer Igor Ermilin told Izvestia news agency: "Hamilton is guilty, but the stewards spared him.

"A ten second penalty for such an action is ridiculous. He threatened Max's life and caused serious damage to his car.
"Lewis should have been disqualified," he insisted.


https://www.grandprix.com/news/hamil...ays-press.html


Ecclestone hits out at stewards: 'That penalty was not justified'
20-07-2021 08:25 | Updated: 20-07-2021 09:04
by GPblog.com

Bernie Ecclestone has been critical about the punishment for Lewis Hamilton. According to the former CEO of Formula 1 the Briton should have received a much higher penalty for his collision with Max Verstappen.

The whole Formula 1 world is in an uproar because of the incident of Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. The two collided during the British Grand Prix. However, while Verstappen was in hospital, Hamilton celebrated his victory. So what went wrong in giving the penalty?

''In the old days we would have said it was one of those things, a racing incident. It was clear that everyone was doing his best to win the championship. But if the stewards needed to get involved then they should have given Lewis more than a 10-second penalty. It should have been 30 seconds,'' Ecclestone said to Sportsmail.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89625...ink=inarticle1


Red Bull hire lawyer to investigate action against Hamilton says Marko
20-07-2021 10:50 | Updated: 20-07-2021 11:01
by GPblog.com

Helmut Marko has suggested Red Bull Racing have hired a lawyer to investigate the punishment of Lewis Hamilton. Helmut Marko told Austria's Kronen Zeitung. Marko is still angry after the incident.

Red Bull Racing and Max Verstappen were in such good shape prior to the British Grand Prix. In both championships they had a large margin, but with the retirement of Verstappen that lead has disappeared completely. Red Bull is now investigating whether a heavier penalty can still be imposed on Hamilton, with the help of a lawyer.

''He [the lawyer] has to investigate what we can do in such a situation within the frameworks of sports law,'' the Austrian argues. ''It was fortunate that nothing serious happened to Max. The car, and possibly the engine, are broken. You can't let that happen. A suspension (for Hamilton) would be justified."

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89636...-hamilton.html

[Nitrodaze]

Lewis Hamilton & Max Verstappen crash: Brit's comments back in 2018 are awkward now
By Harneet Singh Sethi
Published: 20 Jul 2021, 12:50

C&P extract;

After him and Max Verstappen contrived a collision, both blamed it on the other, but only one could blame and celebrate, and that was Hamilton. The majority of F1 fans, however, believe it was the Brit who caused the collision.

Following his sensational win, Hamilton said: "[On Saturday] I went down the left-hand side and I really regretted not going for the gap that was down the right-hand side and so I dummied him, moved to the left and then moved to the right for that gap.

"I was pretty far up alongside him but I then could see he wasn't going to back-out and we went into the corner and then we collided. Of course, that's never the way I ever want to win a race or just in general to race but these things do happen."

Quite measured words, aren’t they?

However, the balance of the words are outweighed by the underlying contradiction. Reason being, what happened to Verstappen here is very similar to what happened with Valtteri Bottas in 2018, with the driver causing the collision being Sebastian Vettel - who Hamilton was fighting at the time for the title.

Of course, neither did Vettel win the race - he finished fifth, while Bottas finished seventh - nor did Hamilton lose the championship, but here’s what he said of the clash, as per Sky Sports: "Ultimately, if you ruin someone's race because of a mistake, and you're able to come back to a place ahead of the other person, that penalty doesn't outweigh your mistake. You shouldn't be able to finish ahead of the other person if you take them out of the race. It's like you're violating the speed, but just let you go."

Obviously, nothing wrong with contradicting yourself, but this is elite sport and there’s only so many times you cut your own words to smithereens as per your convenience.

Read MORE here;

https://www.givemesport.com/1724603-...re-awkward-now


Lewis Hamilton issued 'statement of intent' to Max Verstappen but FIA may have to step in
Damon Hill believes Lewis Hamilton sent Max Verstappen a clear message during the British Grand Prix.
By Claire Cottingham
PUBLISHED: 10:32, Tue, Jul 20, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:57, Tue, Jul 20, 2021

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...en-FIA-F1-news


JULY 20, 2021
Hamilton eyed victory or death in British GP says press

Lewis Hamilton charged for "victory or death" before title rival Max Verstappen was tipped into a 51G crash at Silverstone's Copse corner on Sunday.
That is the view of one international media outlet in the highly-charged aftermath of the lap-1 incident that is now the major talking point in the British GP aftermath.

Former F1 driver Ralf Schumacher told Sky Deutschland that Hamilton's move was a "complete misjudgement" and "not a typical overtaking manoeuvre".

"If Lewis had stayed there, he would have pushed Max off the track. Instead, he pulled back and touched his rear wheel.

"Everyone knows from karting that you can't do that. It's damn dangerous to do it at that place," Schumacher added.

1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve told one outlet: "I think the pressure to not be beaten by Max at his home track was so great that he subconsciously accepted the risk.

I think he would have taken his foot off the gas in any other race," he added.

The Spanish sports daily Marca agrees.

"It was either victory or death for Hamilton at Silverstone, who said 'Basta!' to Verstappen on the first lap," the newspaper editorial reads.
"The Englishman refused to take his foot off the accelerator in front of his home crowd, and his doggedness led to a brutal accident for his Dutch rival."

Suddeutsche Zeitung correspondent Elmar Brummer opined: "Victory number 99 is perhaps the most questionable of Hamilton's career. And one of the most important.

"The tone of the entire championship may change now."
And Luigi Perna, of La Gazzetta dello Sport, surmised: "Hamilton made it clear that he is ready to do anything for the championship."

Corriere della Sera's Daniele Sparisci reported: "At Copse corner, Hamilton grabbed victory from Leclerc and also introduced us to his dark side."
Italian blogger Leo Turrini said: "I admire Lewis immensely, but a veteran doesn't make that kind of move at Copse on the first lap.

"The end result was Verstappen in hospital and a bad joke of a penalty. After all, you can win in many ways, but certain gestures cross lines and have consequences.

"I don't think Max will forget this," he added.

Finally, former Marussia car designer Igor Ermilin told Izvestia news agency: "Hamilton is guilty, but the stewards spared him.

"A ten second penalty for such an action is ridiculous. He threatened Max's life and caused serious damage to his car.
"Lewis should have been disqualified," he insisted.


https://www.grandprix.com/news/hamil...ays-press.html


Ecclestone hits out at stewards: 'That penalty was not justified'
20-07-2021 08:25 | Updated: 20-07-2021 09:04
by GPblog.com

Bernie Ecclestone has been critical about the punishment for Lewis Hamilton. According to the former CEO of Formula 1 the Briton should have received a much higher penalty for his collision with Max Verstappen.

The whole Formula 1 world is in an uproar because of the incident of Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. The two collided during the British Grand Prix. However, while Verstappen was in hospital, Hamilton celebrated his victory. So what went wrong in giving the penalty?

''In the old days we would have said it was one of those things, a racing incident. It was clear that everyone was doing his best to win the championship. But if the stewards needed to get involved then they should have given Lewis more than a 10-second penalty. It should have been 30 seconds,'' Ecclestone said to Sportsmail.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89625...ink=inarticle1


Red Bull hire lawyer to investigate action against Hamilton says Marko
20-07-2021 10:50 | Updated: 20-07-2021 11:01
by GPblog.com

Helmut Marko has suggested Red Bull Racing have hired a lawyer to investigate the punishment of Lewis Hamilton. Helmut Marko told Austria's Kronen Zeitung. Marko is still angry after the incident.

Red Bull Racing and Max Verstappen were in such good shape prior to the British Grand Prix. In both championships they had a large margin, but with the retirement of Verstappen that lead has disappeared completely. Red Bull is now investigating whether a heavier penalty can still be imposed on Hamilton, with the help of a lawyer.

''He [the lawyer] has to investigate what we can do in such a situation within the frameworks of sports law,'' the Austrian argues. ''It was fortunate that nothing serious happened to Max. The car, and possibly the engine, are broken. You can't let that happen. A suspension (for Hamilton) would be justified."

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89636...-hamilton.html

Sorry buddy, you can put out this stuff for as long as you want. We know what happened. 50:50 racing incident.

How you don't find it odd that a team is seeking legal advice for a racing incident tells me you are so consumed with your preference of perception of events, objectivity is pointless as far as you are concerned.

You are simply demonstrating "Politically Correct Prejudice" by attempting to whip up hatred with your posts. It is subtle but very clear to its purpose. We see it and don't buy it.

[Nitrodaze]

Hamilton didn't give a wide berth, he took a different line to get a better exit in my opinion.

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Through Woodcote corner, we see here that Verstappen did not make any effort to take the apex of the corner which would have been the fastest line through the corner. But swings well out to cut off Hamilton. This is ok , it is racing. This is the sort of racing that continued next into Corpse corner where the accident occurred. So please be fair about it.

When racing hard, accidents do occur. That is just inevitable and essentially what racing is about.

At Corpse Corner, this is how Martin Brundle of Skysport saw it. Please note this quote was from the skysport website.

Hamilton was momentarily largely alongside before he bailed out of the throttle. Max turned in feeling the corner was his and they touched, spinning him towards the barrier at high speed, finally stopping with the force of 51G. Thank goodness the car did not start rolling over, or a wheel bouncing into the marshal or even crowd enclosures.

Essentially, Verstappen turns in which caused the contact and the inevitable accident. Now, the main point here is that Hamilton did not drive into Verstappen, but placed his car in such a position to force Verstappen to take a wider line through the corner which would have messed up his line coming out of the corner. And Hamilton would have certainly used the powerful straight-line speed of the Mercedes to get ahead before the sequence of corners where the Mercedes was weaker than the Redbull. That said, There is a rumour that Redbull has evidence that Hamilton went in that corner hot and would not have made it through the corner. It kind of contradicts the fact that Hamilton backed off his speed and did not follow Verstappen of the track out of control. But we shall hear more about this without a doubt.


I think it is as clear as day that both drivers were equally at fault. Verstappen with 33 points ahead in the championship standings, should have been thinking about not jeopardizing his lead in the championship, by taking a precautionary wider line around the corner. He made a very poor judgement and risked it all which resulted in an accident. And he goes on social media claiming he was hit by Hamilton. Which was also clearly not the case.

Hamilton on the other hand had nothing to lose. He had a right to be right where he was, even though being there puts the onus on Verstappen to either cause an accident or compromise his line through the corner. It was a brilliant strategy but a risky one. The outcome fell to Verstappen on how it would turn out. But it was equally risky for Hamilton as he risked a tyre puncture and/or front wing damage which may have ruined his chance of winning the race.

But it was simply brilliant racing. The aggressive defending, the stalking and the pouncing to launch the attack. It was simply fantastic to see these two brilliant drivers duel. It was hard racing not for the faint-hearted. As it took the fight to a point of mutual desperation. We could see Verstappen's desperation to maintain the lead through the fast corner and straights where the Mercedes was simply mighty. And we could see Hamilton's desperation to get ahead before Verstappen gets to the sequence of tight corners where the Redbull was mighty.

That said l remain happy that Verstappen got out of it unscathed.

[denkimi]

Get your facts straight buddy. Go check out the slow-mo video of the incident on the skysport website. Then come back and tell us what you think.

and there's the other hammi fanboy. i was already wondering wat took you so long.


great to see how some people can be such big fans of someone they are able to ignore the reality. i wish i could live such a simple life too.

[Nitrodaze]

and there's the other hammi fanboy. i was already wondering wat took you so long.


great to see how some people can be such big fans of someone they are able to ignore the reality. i wish i could live such a simple life too.

Yea yea