M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 21st March 2020, 13:06

Even after a big crash a lot of parts can be salvaged, or the car can be re-shelled. But with a fire, its a total loss.

And if M-Sport do have another WRC car they can use for Lappi, thats still one less car theyll have available to sell, hire-out or use for testing...

**Rallyper** · 21st March 2020, 14:06

Originally Posted by br21

nothing to reuse

I´m stubborn...

Not even crankshaft?

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 21st March 2020, 14:54

Originally Posted by the sniper

To be fair, Millener may have been talking with the wider circumstances in which this happened in mind. Losing an €800,000 car is one thing, losing an €800,000 car just ahead of losing a large part of your business' income (service and sales) for the foreseeable future is another.

Of course the future is a big problem too, but here Millener was talking straight after the loss of the Lappi WRC car and was referring directly to the effect that would have.

**AnttiL** · 21st March 2020, 15:17

Obviously they have a tight budget and when you have big loss like that, it must be off something, like testing and development work.

**Steve Boyd** · 21st March 2020, 16:07

Originally Posted by Rallyper

I´m stubborn...

Not even crankshaft?

Well, first you have to get it out of a big lump of melted aluminium that used to be the block & crankcase. Then you have to machine off any melted aluminium that is stuck to it. Then you don't know what temperature it got to & for how long so you have to heat treat it all over again. Finally you have to find some sucker to sell it to becaue after all of that you wouldn't want it in a works car

**Rallyper** · 21st March 2020, 18:11

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Well, first you have to get it out of a big lump of melted aluminium that used to be the block & crankcase. Then you have to machine off any melted aluminium that is stuck to it. Then you don't know what temperature it got to & for how long so you have to heat treat it all over again. Finally you have to find some sucker to sell it to becaue after all of that you wouldn't want it in a works car

Sounds reasonable.

**Berke** · 22nd March 2020, 00:52

I guess not being able to figure out what caused the fire is another concern for the team at the moment. It sounds like they're unsure if it might happen again or not.

**Tarmop** · 22nd March 2020, 08:45

We are talking about an in-house replacement and this for sure, for the manuf., doesn`t cost the pricetag of a "dealership". In normal circumstances, probably a weekend of M-Sport cars rallying/racing all over the world would compensate it, but the problem is, that there aren`t many, if any doing that at the moment, nor are many, if any people interested in buying them in the near future. But they have wages to pay, a complex to run and cars to develop etc.
And when we look at the bigger picture, people aren`t buying much of anything these days, except food and what else is absolutely necessary.

**AnttiL** · 22nd March 2020, 10:01

Originally Posted by Berke

I guess not being able to figure out what caused the fire is another concern for the team at the moment. It sounds like they're unsure if it might happen again or not.

https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m...be-discovered/

correctly guessed.